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DR Mag: The Build off.... TIME SENSITIVE: Bike Choice Complete.

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Posted by: Okiewan

You may have heard about this elsewhere... but here ya go.
Several of the boards out there have been invited to build-up a bike and submit it to the magazine for testing, then publishing in the August issue.

We of course accepted the challenge.

Time is the big problem, it has to be in their hands on April 2. So basically, we have thirty days to put it together. DRN will source everything, the bike, the chosen aftermarket parts, etc. Members are not required to purchase a single item.

You've seen some posts recently that seemed to ask obvious questions, this is what it was leading to.

We have to determine what form of bike to send... MX'er or Off-Road.
Then, the actual bike, then the mods and we have little time to do it! This project is only open to Subscribers and SupportTeam members to eliminate the potential noise level. Your input is what will put this bike together.

Below is the info directly from Jimmy Lewis (DR mag editor):

Quote:
Dirt Rider's Internet Bike Story

Who is in:
www.thumpertalk.com
www.crfsonly.com
www.dirtrider.net
www.ktmtalk.com
www.minibiketalk.com
www.dirtrider.com
(there is the possibility of a freestyle board, still pending)

Dirt Rider magazine has invited the above listed forums to participate in a bike build up, where the motorcycle that the members of each forum decide to build will be featured in an article in the magazine. Some boards are small and some are huge, hopefully we'll get an interesting mix of bikes for the story. The rules are pretty simple and as follows:

--We must have the finished bike delivered to us in Southern California no later than April 2nd.
--We will need the bike for 2 weeks to photograph and test it. The bike will be tested for the purpose it was intended. MX bikes on MX tracks and trail bikes on the trails. Don't try and out think us on where we are going to test. We promise to get the bike in its element. Build the bike that represents the members! It would be best if the bike were set up for an average sized guy of average ability level, say 180 lbs, intermediate ability, but this is not a rule.

--The bike and what is done to it must be decided in a single forum on message boards by members of the site. In other words, there must be a clear and easily locatable track history of what bike is selected and what is done to that bike. We will have an address to that form in the magazine so the Dirt Rider readers can look in on it themselves to see the history. You can use polls, votes, other threads to make decisions, but everything should be traced back into a single thread to make it easy to keep track of. It is up to the forum moderator to make the final decision on specifics, but it should be done in the forum (in public) for all members to see.

--You can use whatever parts and changes to any bike that your forum sees fit, there are really no hard and fast rules other than these:

Using the MIC published RPM numbers for sound testing and the SAE J-1287 test procedure,
MX bikes must be below 99db
Off-road bikes must have a Spark Arrestor and be below 96db
--Ideally the forum will first select the brand (very easy in some cases), then the model, the displacement, then decide how to make that bike the best it can be and show off the expertise of the members and what they believe is the best bike out there.

--Dirt Rider will not be shooting these bikes out or doing a comparison test with them. We will test them individually and show our readers what your forum thinks is the best bike out there.

So good luck and I'm really interested to see what shows up in April!

Jimmy Lewis
Editor
Dirt Rider Magazine



Posted by: Okiewan

A couple of issues right off the bat.

I mentioned to Jimmy that we will use DRN mods and members products and services FIRST. For all other product required that isn't supplied by our group, we'll go "outside" the forum and source it. I mentioned, for example, if we ran a poll, and asked who people will choose to do head work/porting/bigbore ... Eric Gorr would win hands down. We assume the same for MX-Tech.

We've run polls in the past that indicate the vast majority of members on DRN are off-road riders.
We've also run polls (2-4 stroke) that indicate the majority own/ride/prefer 2 strokes. ( link to 2-4t poll: http://dirtrider.net/forums3/showthread.php?t=86916 )
Considering the time constraint and the large amount of work required to secure everything we will have to set some selection limits.

First, the bike; Service Honda has stepped-up and offered to supply one of the following;
1) 2006 CR500AF
2) 2006 CF500 AFX

If we do off road, which seems to be the right choice for this forum, the AFX would ROCK (here's a link to the bike: http://www.servicehonda.com/06_500AFX.html ) We can go either way, MX or off-road, it's your call. Thinking this thru, sure seems like there are a lot more cool things that was can do to a off-road bike tho? And a bike like the AFX to start with? How cool is that? An AFX and an "unlimited" budget?

We'll ask for a parts list... put up some polls and discuss the bike here.

Keep in mind.. this a NOT a Shoot Out ... it's not a competition to determine "which board is better", it's simply a build to see what we come-up with. I'm sure everyone involved will come-up with a unique entry that will represent well and stand on it's own.

Do give this thing some thought, but not too much! We've got to have the bike in SoCal by April 2. Of THIS year!!!


Posted by: Okiewan

Please also refer to these threads;
http://www.dirtrider.net/forums3/sh...ad.php?t=129145 ( ultimate off-road bike )
mentioned the Eric Gorr thread: http://www.dirtrider.net/forums3/sh...ad.php?t=129143

Again, because time is so short, we will need to reply on some previously gathered feedback.


Posted by: Okiewan

Another thought...
This thing will obviously create some competition between the various boards ...
PLEASE do NOT turn this into something less than what it's intended to be. Some board bashing is sure to follow, we aren't going to be a part of it. Cool?


Posted by: wanaride

Wow, it's cool that Service Honda is donating the bike, but is this really the best choice for an all-around off-road machine? (Of course, "off-road" is a pretty wide open topic.) I don't want to get in a pissing contest about brands, but unless you are in the desert or maybe a WORCS race, I don't think the 500AF is a good choice. I haven't ridden one so maybe I'm dead wrong, but I can imagine a 500cc 2T would be a handful in tight, rocky, root infested rutted trails, even with a massive FWW.

Of course, considering the timeframe and the infinite range of opinion, maybe you should just hop up the 500AF and call it good?


Posted by: Okiewan

There are a lot of off-road'ers that aren't in the east coast that would disagree with that I wish there were time for everyone to get a ride on an AFX. Also keep in mind where the bike will be tested... in SoCal. AS far as what we're starting with... logisticly there's no way want to tackle sourcing a "XXX" bike in the time given. Besides... how exciting is a production bike with a catalog thrown at it?

Next big issue? Who's in charge of all the wrenching, shipping, etc? We basically have one choice in managing the project, we are just very luckly that the one choice also happens to be the best... by far.

The only thing about the type of bike is... we are supposed to supply a bike that best fits the site, so that kinda determines it will be an off-road weapon.

Every site involved will be dealing with these same issues... not enough time, in fact we were very close to declining, based on time alone. Should this go well for the magazine and everyone involved, they are saying it will be a yearly thing and we'll be given 6 months or more to handle it. For this one, we need to determine what's reasonable, work within those contraints and knock it out!

Keep the thoughts coming!


Posted by: XRpredator

Quote:
Originally Posted by wanaride
. . . unless you are in the desert or maybe a WORCS race, I don't think the 500AF is a good choice. I haven't ridden one so maybe I'm dead wrong, but I can imagine a 500cc 2T would be a handful in tight, rocky, root infested rutted trails, even with a massive FWW.

Of course, considering the timeframe and the infinite range of opinion, maybe you should just hop up the 500AF and call it good?

that's the idea. Time Frame is the killer. Why not start with a good base. Plus, where this bike will be tested (California) it will be more of a WORCS type situation.

Maybe this could become an annual event, with longer lead time in the future, and other cool ideas could come up.


Posted by: truespode

My only concern about an off-road 500 AFX is whether it will be green sticker and the sound.

I like the idea of the 500AFX because the majority of off-road areas they are likely to test will not include tight single track... then again I could be wrong.

Ivan


Posted by: Papakeith

OK, here's my rambling
I've riden cr500s with MX Tech suspenders for couple of years in the woods. While I agree the 500 can be a handful in the Jersey "ignorant tight" type woods, in general for fire trails, most single track, and most all other off road situations the steel framed 500s rocked. That being said, they did need to be massaged to work in the woods at all. Namely a really heavy FWW. Ad in a wide ratio transmission and you were set. (I never bothered with the trans). You won't find a hill that 500 can't tame.

Then there is Service Honda's 500 AFX which is head and shoulders above any 500 I've ever taken into the woods. Service Honda's AFX has the lighting already added on, which should cover any needed flywheel effect. Add in the MX-Tech suspension and a EGorr modded head and you already have a winner. That's not even counting all of the other bolt on goodies to make it woods ready.

I rode the AF back in 01 and it was soooooo smooth. I imagine that in 5 years time AJ has tweaked the machine to new levels.
I've got no problems standing behind a AFX as a woods/offroad machine.


Posted by: Tony Eeds

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
Another thought...
This thing will obviously create some competition between the various boards ...
PLEASE do NOT turn this into something less than what it's intended to be. Some board bashing is sure to follow, we aren't going to be a part of it. Cool?


I totally agree that there should not be board bashing. In a way this is not so much a competition between boards as much as it is a reflection of what the board's focus is.

KTMTalk will start with a KTM
Thumpertalk will start with a 4 stroke

What is DRN?

In my opinion, DRN is primarily a 2 stroke forum and for the most part we ride off road, not on tracks.

Quote:
Build the bike that represents the members!


Quote:
The bike will be tested for the purpose it was intended. MX bikes on MX tracks and trail bikes on the trails. Don't try and out think us on where we are going to test. We promise to get the bike in its element.


As far as bike choices, my hat is off to Service Honda for stepping up with two great choices. Although I could go with either, I like the AFX idea. That is one really sweet machine and I would love to wring it out off road sometime.

Since it has a light, I assume it has a battery. What about including a tag for DS work and perhaps a state of the art GPS system wired in? Make it convertable. An AFX prepared for the woods would still be more bike than many of us need on a MX track.


Posted by: gwcrim

I think the AFX would be Da Bomb. It would be certain to grab attention and produce big grins.


Posted by: bsmith

500AFX, MXteched, Gore big bored, Extra Large Desert Tank, Hand Guards, Baja light kit, Billet shark fins, Carbon Fiber skid plate, exhuast guards, and Maxxis tires!

Don't forget the Dirt Rider.net fender stickers

How about some American flag type Graphics? and Jaybird Chain!


Posted by: AJ Waggoner

FYI - just to clarify some concerns..and add a bit of info..

The AFX is green sticker elgible in Cali
and it comes stock with either
a FMF Q ,
or Pro Circuit 296 silencer
so meets both the forrestry spark arrester and sound standards.
(also come stock with a heavier flywheel weight)
and the 120 watts of lighting.
(Tony, yeap, it carries the Battery of the 250X)

all those things are already standard in stock trim ,
but of course you can add more flywheel weight if need be, as well as address many other things?
desert tanks and such are readily availible,
(personally i'd opt for the rekluse auto clutch also,
as they just KILL in off road situations)


for a little background the the model-
8 out of 10 of the CR500AF's over the last 9 model years
end in the tight canyons/trials , and the deserts of the west / cali.

The vast majority of AFs end up in riding places like Calis, clear creek, jawbone, or Gorman where Dirt Rider mag often tests.

As a new model to be a supplemebnt to the AF,
the AFX was built with our customer base in mind..
specifically for the tight /trail/ canyon riding of the west and cali ,
as well as the open desert and dunes ,as well as be a good mid west/eastern woods peerformer.

but the MAIN thought behind it was
just to be a great all around "off road" bike,
if you were limited to only one bike for every general riding situation,
for desert /woods/canyon/dunes or track.
*shrugs*


Posted by: XRpredator

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Eeds
Since it has a light, I assume it has a battery. What about including a tag for DS work and perhaps a state of the art GPS system wired in? Make it convertable. An AFX prepared for the woods would still be more bike than many of us need on a MX track.

Convertible, I like that! Supermoto wheels and a plate would make that sucker rock. Might not necessarily be legal in CA, but it for sure would sneak through in Idaho, maybe even TX

AJ, is it E-start? (not that it would need to be, but that'd be a neat feature)


Posted by: AJ Waggoner

legal to plate it here pred, for sure!
i had one (it was stolen)

but recently cali has gotten extreemly strange on licensing SM's or dual sports,
basically has just decided not to do it anymore,
so that would be very veery challenging to get a cali plate.( a year aho you could have)

however if it is registeered and has a valid indiana plate,
i'm fairly certain it is absolutely legal to ride the street of cali on it.


ahh and no E- button, sorry..


Posted by: MrLuckey

As a SoCa rider, I can't imagine a better 2 stroke to start with than the AFX. Depending on where they test some grip heaters might really make the tester grin even more. Definitely going to want a steering stabilizer also.

Very cool.


Posted by: Patman

I think for those that are concerned about a 500 being too much bike for tight stuff perhaps consider that even a 125 could be too much depending on how far you twist the throttle and what gear you pick.

Anyway...
HUGE kudos to Service Honda for offering up a hand built gem. Getting to pick between two of them is even more cool! My choice would be an AFX hands down. It has too much going for it as an overall package.


Posted by: MrLuckey

Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Waggoner
but recently cali has gotten extreemly strange on licensing SM's or dual sports,
basically has just decided not to do it anymore,


FYI I had a discussion about a month ago with Elk about plating my bike and I am in the process of doing just that. He didn't make it sound too awfully tough. If you can get a green sticker it shouldn't take much more to get a plate.


Posted by: AJ Waggoner

Eddie, we have a lot of cali customers going thru it..
and before it wasnt a big deal..seems to be of late.
Not sure why, now, they are having the issues but thats what our Cali customers are reelating to us as far as a "plate" (on any dual sport or that style bike)

heck Cali customers are having issues just off road registering a CRF450X !!
if the silly OEM sticker is pealed off the rear fender!
and we are putting flyers in our shipped bikes to NOT remove this OEM sticker (that everyone typicaly peals the first day.)
*shrugs*


Posted by: JWW

500AFX....very nice choice

Rekluse and a Scott's for sure

Dont forget axle pulls and adjuster blocks.


Posted by: truespode

I vote for the Rekluse.

I had one on my CRF450 and it was awesome!

I also recommend SS brake lines and IMS footpegs.

Ivan


Posted by: Patman

OK this is getting too good!
If this were MY ultimate CR500AFX....
Rekluse auto clutch (manual over ride maybe?)
FMF exhaust.
Eric Gorr porting.
MX Tech suspension.
E-Line CF pipe guard.
E-Line CF skid plate (if one exists otherwise I'm pretty open).
Faast Flexx bars.
Cycra Pro Bend guards with triple clamp mounts to the bars can flex(x).
Pirelli tires.
HID lighting.
Steering damper of some kind.
Dirt Bike Gear bag.
SH disc guard.
SH ignition cover.
B? O2 filters.
Pivot Pegz.
ARC/ASV levers (I like to adjust the reach not so much for the unbreakable...ness)


Posted by: truespode

Definately the B? O2 filters!!!

Ivan


Posted by: DWreck

I love the choice on bikes. Straight out of Service Honda it would make anyones heart race!
MX-Tech the suspension
EE Hand guards
Rekluse clutch
Scott's steering damper
Scott's rear disc guard
Pro Circuit or FMF spark arrestor

Maybe list:
Carbon fiber pipe guard
Black rims- Hey they look cool.

No one will accuse it of being down on power.

I guess the only thing to really look out for is make sure you don't throw so many goodies on it that it turns into an overweight pig.


Posted by: rickyd

Would it be a good idea too run a trials type rear tire on the bike?? Anybody in SoCal know where the test area??

Hydraulic clutch??


Posted by: Danman

This bike looks to be the Bomb! This is one review I want to read. This is a great Idea for an article. I've seen this mentioned in on a few other pages. I'm a member at all of them, but I tend to lurk at a lot of Dirtbike sites. All the suggestions seem to be good. I'll add mine.

I've been reading about the G2 throttle system. It might help to tune the power a bit more and make it one sweet ride.

I vote against the Pivot pegs. Seems like a personal taste and might take some getting used to before you like them. I agree that the stockers won't do

I agree with Dwreck in not weighting it down with to much. Protection esentals and preformance enhancing. Keep it "about the business" if you will. (Sorry Lou Aka "king of bling")


Posted by: Kav

I'd go for the AFX also. I damn near live in Jawbone, and that's the bike I'de use for it if money was not an issue. As far as for the who and the what, Eric and MX-Tech are hands down winners there.

RickyD: Trials tyres on MX bikes do really good so long as it's not super sandy (IE the dunes) and you do not want to run them with low tyre pressur (ever) on a big bike. I would opt for IRC's M5B rear tyre. that's what most of my friends in Jawbone, Splanger Hills and the Hi-Dez run, (I beleave they use a Michelin S-12 on the front, but I'll check with them. The S-12 rear tyre is a good all round tyre also.


Posted by: Papakeith

I'll second the m5b for the 500. for trails n mud I couldn't find better. I had the 18 inch rear wheel on my 500 with the 140/80 M5B

For pegs, I liked the Fastway lowboy pegs.


Posted by: YZ165

I just wanna know if the bike will make an appearance at DW'07 for all who attend to admire and maybe test ride!
How do "woods" bikes do in foam?


Posted by: Kav

Ok Here is my list:
Bike: AF500X W/Speedo and Cooling Fan Kit
Tyres: Michelin S-12 (21”)/IRC M5B (18”)
Scotts steering dampener
Rekluse clutch or Magura hydraulic clutch system
Clark 3.2 Gal oversized tank
Devol Radiator guards and full skid plate
Moose Pipe Armor (ultra heavy duty)
MSR Disk guards
MSR Brake Saver (Brake snake)
MSR 2 Stroke Fuel & Air mixture Screws
Pro Taper S/E Bars
Acerbis Rally Pro hand guards
FMF Gnarly Pipe (if one is made for the AFX)
FMF “Q” series spark arrestor
MX-Tech revalve for the Desert with Enzo fork subtanks
Eric Gorr Porting
Seal Savers for the forks
Zip-Ty Racing Axle pullers
Magnetic drain plug
T.M. Designworks: case saver, swing arm protector, and chain guard.
Whip flag mount on the rear axle (SoCal + AF500 = mandatory trip to the dunes)


Posted by: BSWIFT

Gun metal andodized like the special addition AF.
Custom DRN Graphics with Service Honda in a color changing type look.
This sounds like a Super Mamba!


Posted by: rickyd

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kav


RickyD: Trials tyres on MX bikes do really good so long as it's not super sandy (IE the dunes) and you do not want to run them with low tyre pressur (ever) on a big bike.


I pictured this place somewhat like Carnegie, dry bluegroove..

Maybe add a soft seat of some kind..


Posted by: ellandoh

#441 on the plates??


Posted by: truespode

Is it possible to get the One Industries Retro graphics to work on the AF?

http://www.davidbaileymx.com/pages/images/DBBIKE.gif

Ivan


Posted by: Okiewan

Cool ideas... we've got some graphics planned

Thanks for the input everyone... keep it coming!


Posted by: truespode

I meant the plastic itself, not necessarily the graphics.

Ivan


Posted by: Danman

Dig the raffle Idea


Posted by: Jaybird

I could probably get Doug to custom a #530 sprocket conversion.
I contend there is no need for a bigger chain than the #520, but for scoring points in this thing, I think beefing up the chain and sprockets would give the perception of boosting it's integrity.
Pro bono, of course.

You know..this whole thing is very unfair to the other boards. But, they may get a mention.


Posted by: Spider

Quote:
Originally Posted by BSWIFT
This sounds like a Super Mamba! When is the raffle? J/King well, maybe.

This has been brought up already but first we have to figure out who really owns the finished bike and a way to make sure if done that we cover the cost. It would be cool to see it raise a couple grand- who wouldn't take a couple chances to own the dirtrider offroad bike of the year- for a some great cause.
PLEASE DON'T GET BOGGED DOWN IN THE RAFFLE STAGE NOW WE HAVE BIGGER TIMELINES TO BEAT and Okie will be exploring any raffle possibilities once we know facts


Posted by: cnielse5

This is Super Cool. I am a dirt rider mag subscriber and am stoked about this. I think the 500 afx is the right bike. have we talked about a skid plate? I think that the Rekluse clutch is a good idea.


Posted by: XRpredator

Quote:
Originally Posted by truespode
I meant the plastic itself, not necessarily the graphics.

I'm with Ivan -- the Bailey plastics with a DRN specific graphic scheme


Posted by: Patman

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spider
but first we have to figure out who really owns the finished bike

Service Honda.


Posted by: crazy4nitro

First of all I'm Totally Stoked about this project
Thanks to all who stepped up to play!

Let's not forget about some type of Tools/Tool bag for when Murphy moves in. I'm not an avid trail rider so maybe someone else can chime in on this..

A nice GPS would be nice if possible,I totally agree about the weight issue though.

Also the balls that are used in place of the inner tubes(Jaybird posted about this b-4)

Crazy


Posted by: Okiewan

Quote:
This has been brought up already but first we have to figure out who really owns the finished bike and a way to make sure if done that we cover the cost.
Just in case there is any question... the bike will NOT end up in mine or any other "staffer's" garage.. unless of course someone on the site buys it...

What actually happens to the bike is being discussed now. As soon as we get it all worked out we will make it clear to everyone. If there are options at that point, the members will decide it's fate.


Posted by: truespode

GPS and tire balls are nice considerations.

I have a Dirtbike Gear Bag that can go on the back (I have to dig through the garage). I tested it for DRN a while back.

Ivan


Posted by: Okiewan

Quote:
Originally Posted by XRpredator
I'm with Ivan -- the Bailey plastics with a DRN specific graphic scheme
Okay, what am I missing? What's different about the plastic other than the color of the panels? The air box slots look like a sticker to me? What else?


Posted by: truespode

After looking at an 06 pic and the retro the only thing that seems to stand out is the color of the plastic... it is a darker red than the 06. Other than that you are right, it is all graphics.

I guess I got caught up in the overall look in the pic instead of looking to see if there are true differences.

Ivan


Posted by: Eric Gorr

You can count on me for any help and I'm close enough to AJ and Service to do stuff in a hurry.
I think the idea of a transformer bike fits in with DRN which to me encompasses a lot of different off-road sports.
If it wasn't so busy at my shop I'd offer up my CRF500 as a dual transformer concept with AJ's AFX.
Its a bit disappointing that DR came up with this interesting magazine concept so deep into the season, it would be better for all of the boards if they waited until they had enough time to develop the concept bikes with more member concensus.

We're hitting the Indy Show this weekend and we'll look for cool parts!


Posted by: Okiewan

Thanks Eric....
Yeah, the time frame is tough. I'm confident we'll have enough input to build a concensous bike.. note I didn't use "bike by commitee" lol. Frankly, I don't think they believe we can pull it off. We're starting to get a lot of suggestions soon, enough to narrow it all down and start building.


Posted by: Okiewan

The thread says CRF500AFX

Done.


Posted by: XRpredator

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
The thread says CRF500AFX

Done.

CR500AFX, not CRF, right?

dang the four stroke designations creepin' into everything!


Posted by: Okiewan

Doh!.. My bad...
Yeah.. AFX


Posted by: ellandoh

i see that it comes with a kickstand, we know woodsguys love kickstands, question is: if we are leaving stock exhaust on is it USFS spark arrested and passes noise ordinances also?? if not what exhaust do wwoodsguys prefer??

also i see a lot of posts with mega bolt ons and preferred brand names, this is good but i would like to see DRN go over the top with possibly a mini or condensed version of EG's book with the applicable chapters to go with the bike?? in the fender bag if it gets one?

also to think outside the box if we could incorporate just one unobtainable from the market item(mod) to set us apart from the other forums. to do this i would look to the extreme woodsguys bikes for something they had to fabricate themselves out of necessity , then run the idea to a fabricator to have it incorporated and look professional. you know that thing you see on someones bike that makes you say WOW i wish i thought of that

just a thought


Posted by: crazy4nitro

Quote:
Originally Posted by ellandoh
also to think outside the box if we could incorporate just one unobtainable from the market item(mod) to set us apart from the other forums. to do this i would look to the extreme woodsguys bikes for something they had to fabricate themselves out of necessity , then run the idea to a fabricator to have it incorporated and look professional. you know that thing you see on someones bike that makes you say WOW i wish i thought of that

just a thought


Excellent Idea L&O...

Crazy


Posted by: truespode

The stock AFX is green sticker and meets noise requirements... doesn't mean we can't try to quiet it down some more.

Ivan


Posted by: ellandoh

if we make it really quiet we could possibly get some good press , i see headline now "ORV enthusiasts of today ...........more concientious of their environment than theyre stereotyped"


Posted by: motometal

i'm late to the party here, sorry...

wouldn't there be a significant weight/agility advantage to using a regular CR500AF and modding it to be woods worthy, yet still good on an mx track? Does it have to have lights etc?


Posted by: Okiewan

Too late to second guess.. which could never end...


Posted by: Jaybird

Commited now, but it would have been something to have thought about with more time.
When Jimmy asked what we sent him...MX or Trails bike?...saying "U-pick, just add dirt!" would have been a sweet representation of our board.


Posted by: Okiewan

Correct; and should they do it again next year, and we decide to participate, Lewis says we'll have more like 6 months to get it done... a lot more time to work with ideas. In the case of this go-round, we have to be realisitc and make decisions as quickly as possible.


Posted by: Trigger1911

"It would be best if the bike were set up for an average sized guy of average ability level, say 180 lbs, intermediate ability, but this is not a rule."


I dont think the average sized guy with average riding skills would even think of trying out a CR500AFX! Just my $.02.............Is it Paragon time yet?


Posted by: crazy4nitro

http://www.servicehonda.com/images/...6AFX_Factor.jpg


AHHH..The Gods have glanced upon us !!!!

Crazy4nitro


Posted by: crazy4nitro

Okie,or anyone that may know,

The bike has to be ready and delivered by April 2nd,when are our polls and decisions going to be final? Then how long will that leave for the build minus the delivery time? Sorry if I may have missed this info if it has been discussed previously.

Crazy


Posted by: Patman

We've got it covered. AJ is no newbie to this process and Service Honda has a relationship with Yellow Freight so making sure the bike is where it needs to be will be no problem.


Posted by: AJ Waggoner

Quote:
wouldn't there be a significant weight/agility advantage to using a regular CR500AF and modding it to be woods worthy, yet still good on an mx track? Does it have to have lights etc?


just for information only..
regarding the weight concern..AF vs AFX-

the CRF250X weighs more than the CRF250R mostly because of battery/ electrics to power the starter, and the starter itself



The CR500AFX (CRF250X based) doesnt have any of those items-
and weighs neglibly different than an AF (based on the CRF250R)

the added lights would add to the weight
the sum of:
a marginal bit or wire, the headlight assembly, and the rear LED and bracket..

i'll go weigh it .. but i doubt its over a pound ?
the stator itself would weigh a few onces more from the added wiring to produce the lighting ..
the kickstand and mount would weigh something..
but not much and is carried low in the chassis?


there are few differences in the models other than lights-
but one is the suspension *internals* are different.
other than that its the same bike.

The two bikes weights are likely identical enough to not matter in overall feel or performance.

as models, they are more defined by which application you intend to ride in,
with the deciding factors being wether you want lights, or the different suspension for your type of riding..
also the green sticker *elgibilty* for cali customers on an "X"
*shrugs*


Posted by: JWW

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also the green sticker elgibilty for cali customers on an "X"
*shrugs*[/QUOTE]

This alone is worth a few extra pounds


Posted by: MrMXer327

Just thought of this... RG3 rubber mount triple clamps - us older folks need all the help for those ageing wrists and not sure who to use, but those attachements to adjust the clickers on the forks are kewl and trick.



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