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AirCells .. please vote!
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Posted by: Okiewan

What's everyone think about adding AirCells to the project bike?
Reports so far are very favoriable (DR Mag's Product of The Year)... they work great, easy to install (no drilling) , no maintenance , adjustable.. smoothes-out hits from rocks, stumps, breaking bumps and whoops.

Vote! Poll Closes in two days!

http://www.btosports.com/Merchant2/...rCell_Tanks.jpg

Posted by: rm_racer

They look trick and if they are as good as they say, I say yes.

Posted by: MXSparx

Never heard of them. Who makes them?

Posted by: Okiewan

http://www.aircellracing.com/default.html

Posted by: Chili

I voted yes but I imagine some serious input from Jer would be needed? I know he was using the Enzo's in the past, is this a product he currently supports?

Posted by: bsmith

I voted no, if weve never heard of it before now then I don't know why we should endorse it. Unless of course they put a link on the side of the page!!!

Posted by: SpDyKen

I think I read J.W. say that the Enzo's were copied, but not with the same results. I say no, unless he says otherwise.

Posted by: Tony Eeds

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chili

I voted yes but I imagine some serious input from Jer would be needed?

I second that question.

They do look totally trick though.

Posted by: Chili

To clarify my earlier statement. I feel we should put a subtank system on the bike, just not sure of which brand.

Posted by: Papakeith

I'd go with enzo tanks or nothing. I've never heard of this brand before. But then again, I haven't been looking either.

Posted by: Okiewan

Why go with Enzos?
Because you have to drill out your forks.. ie; a suspension shop has to do it?
I asked Jer about Enzo's.. the response? Get a shop to install them, and then I have to "maintain" them.

Compare the two systems... don't let ingnorance of a specific product sway you. New stuff actually does come on the market that works, is affordable and can be moved from one bike to the next without hacking the stock stuff up.

And they do the same thing.

Posted by: Patman

Never had the chance to ride with AC's or Enzo's but I have actually heard positive comments about both systems so it's sort of a crap shoot I guess. I really expect either system could work well if the fork was setup with them and not just tacked on to a good setup. If Jer thinks it's Enzo or nothing then I can totally respect that. One thing I have learned over the years is I don't tell Eric, Rich or Jer what to do I just tell them what I'd like the end results to be and as long as I am honest and reasonable in what I want they ALWAYS deliver.

Posted by: Okiewan

Has Jer had a chance to test AirCells? Do you really think he would simply discount them because he hasn't? Sorry guys, I guess I'm just pulling for the little guy here.

Posted by: SpDyKen

Hey, Okie, I'm all for you buying a set to try on your CRF. Do a back to back comparison and get back to us with your experiences. If you like them on your ride, then I say "go for it" on the fantasy bike. But I vote "no" until I hear from someone who has used them.

Posted by: Chili

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Has Jer had a chance to test AirCells? Do you really think he would simply discount them because he hasn't? Sorry guys, I guess I'm just pulling for the little guy here.

We run a subtank setup on LazyBoy's 125 so that's the reason I mentioned feedback from Jer is that usually the valving and the rest of the setup (oil levels etc) takes into consideration the subtank setup. I've seen alot of very positive feedback on the Aircell setup and it's was likely the next tank system we tried after our TooTech system, simply because you don't have to drain the oil out of the tanks at the end of a ride day.

Posted by: Okiewan

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Originally Posted by SpDyKen

Hey, Okie, I'm all for you buying a set to try on your CRF. Do a back to back comparison and get back to us with your experiences. If you like them on your ride, then I say "go for it" on the fantasy bike. But I vote "no" until I hear from someone who has used them.

I'd for sure do that if there was time... I'll try to get a set asap and hope to get a ride on them early next week.

Posted by: Jaybird

I have no experience with the AirCells tanks, but...I have worked with Both Bob Olsen and Mike Zariff of AirCel Corp.

These guys are serious smart guys. They are a young company out of TN that hit the market with some of the most inovative technology the air industry had seen for decades.
They hold a patent on a serious heat exchanger, and have built some of the best air drying equipment on the market. They are known as the go-to folks for compressed air systems in the 10,000 psi range, as their equipment was about the only thing available that really worked at that level of air production.
They also build some of the latest nitrogen producing equipmnet for fleet tire fills, etc...

I just finished a project last summer using one of their refrigerant dryers as part of a system I desinged for Ford Motors. This system provides clean dry air at a .1 micron clean/dry air system that supplies the secret Prove-Out facility for Ford trucks.

I first worked with Mike Zariff in 1997, and his proffessionalism and knowledge of the air industry is unsurpassed. Besides being over the top smart, these guys are all good people and you come away from working with them feeling very satisfied that these are the guys you want in your court.

I can't imagine one product being at any level of sub-par with these guys.

BTW...The Donaldson Group, a huge player in the air drying filtration industry, bought our AirCel just this past January. I would imagine that to be a very frutiful marriage.

I can only speak for myself, and as I stated I have never tried their tanks, but just on knowing these guys..I wouldn't hesitate one second to use any product they had their hands on.

Some of you know the type of people I am reffering to....and they are just this type. Passionate, yet down to earth.

Posted by: Patman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Has Jer had a chance to test AirCells? Do you really think he would simply discount them because he hasn't? Sorry guys, I guess I'm just pulling for the little guy here.

I imagine Jer has at least some experience with them and I don't think he'd blow them off if he didn't. My point(s) was that I think it's a good idea and I'm not personally stuck on an Enzo product and trusting what Jer has to say about a specific setup has never left me disappointed. Heck I voted for them but it wouldn't be the first time one of the A-Team told me I needed something different.

Posted by: Okiewan

The real question then is.. does it make any difference which tanks are used, as far as setup goes? Is there a specific setup difference at all if tanks are used ? I'll try to get in touch with Jeremy.

Posted by: Patman

I think for sure oil levels will be different.

Posted by: Vic

I love them, in principle.

Having no personal experience with sub-tanks, I defer to Jer.

Posted by: Papakeith

I can see where they'd be beneficial. So, I guess I shouldn't say yes or no, since I haven't used either product. I'll defer to those more knowledgeable than me.

Posted by: Thump

The Enzo's Jer put on my bike a few years ago made a HUGE differrence. I am not really sure what is different about them except for material Carbon vs Aluminum. I am not opposed to the AirCel, just want to know how it is different then what I have had.

FWIW I never had any problems maintaining the Enzo's

Posted by: Okiewan

Considering the principle is the same and assuming they both work (which all reports say they do), what does it really boil down to?

Are the Enzo's adjustable? does that matter?
Are the Enzo's "typical user" installable?
Are the Enzo's a simple bolt-on and bolt-off for putting on your new bike?
Do the Enzo's require modifying your forks? Does that matter?
Is it time to find out if there are more than two decent suppliers of (basically) the same product?
Are we willing to trust that DR Mag said they rock?

Posted by: Thump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Considering the principle is the same and assuming they both work (which all reports say they do), what does it really boil down to?

1. Are the Enzo's adjustable? does that matter?
2. Are the Enzo's "typical user" installable?
3. Are the Enzo's a simple bolt-on and bolt-off for putting on your new bike?
4. Do the Enzo's require modifying your forks? Does that matter?
5. Is it time to find out if there are more than two decent suppliers of (basically) the same product?
6. Are we willing to trust that DR Mag said they rock?

1. Yes and yes.
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes and so do the Aircells on some bikes according to their site
5. No
6. I trust the members and moderators of this site more so.

That said, we are building the "Ultimate DNR Bike" If the Aircell is the best thing out there then I think we should have them. But if you think they are better because they are easier to install then I say no. This is the Ultimate bike, not the easiest PU part # to install bike.

I am not sying the Aircell is not worthy of having on this stead, but I can only recommend what I have experience with. I will trust the experience of the other members and Mods of this site to decide though.

The poll should probably give options for sub tanks rather than a yes no poll. Just a thought.

Posted by: bsmith

Quote:

Are we willing to trust that DR Mag said they rock?

I would buy them because of Jaybirds post over what a magazine says, yet I get all my inforamation from "This" board not a Magazine! If I were to trust magazines I'd have a YZ426

I think most of the average Joe forum guy wants to here what others "here" have to say first before spending their money. To me the question is why out of the blue should we put on a new product, when the SHDRN 500AFX is built by the people we trust and the products we use everyday.

So I vote no on Enzo and no on Aircel. Also if Aircel is part of Donaldson now, then they are part of a $2 Billion a year company and no longer the little guy!

Posted by: Okiewan

Actually, if all we do is go with what we have experience with and eliminate everything else, what good are we doing really? Everyone knows Enzo's work. It's the easy choice for sure. If another bike is entered with tanks, you can bet they'll be Enzo, it cancels out? THAT is the "PU Catalog" choice IMHO. There's something to be said for doing it different...

On the other hand, it's a possible risk.

Posted by: Okiewan

I'm closing this.. seems tanks are a go, now it's down to which ones and hoping someone can get the tanks of choice.

Posted by: Okiewan

Question David... did you install your Enzo's? Wonder why Jer said to find a good shop to do it when I asked about them?

Posted by: Thump

Jer installed the fitting because I didn't have a tap and die. The rest is just tightening bolts. So yes and no.

That said, I know absolutely nothing about suspension and would much prefer a pro do it for me because I can quickly screw it up. LOL

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