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Posted by: Rich Rohrich
I thought I should share this with you guys. I had the opportunity to talk with an Petro Engineer yesterday who does blend work on fuel and race oils for one of the major refineries. I asked him about Yamalube 4R . He told me it's made by Citgo, and he thought it was a good oil, but nothing special. His exact words (with a smile) "it's a profit center for dealers" . He also had some interesting thoughts on two-stroke oils.
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Rich Rohrich
"Wisdom is not a product of schooling but of the life-long attempt to acquire it."
- Albert Einstein
Posted by: Vic
What were some of his thoughts on two-stroke oil? Do tell. http://208.56.125.175/forums/ubb/smile10.gif
Posted by: slowpokedennis
I guess Rich is gonna make us beg;P or he's mixing up something speical for the DRN project bike.Make Okie faster.
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Dennis********************************************Col Oh
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Posted by: WavyWasher
One night while looking for some info on a site for Material Safety Data
Sheets, I discovered that Citgo manufactures at least one of the Yamalube
2 stroke oils (as well as Lawnboy 2 stroke oil) and that Ashland Oil Co.
(Valvoline) manufactures at least one of the Pro Honda oils. The bottom
line seems to be that most of the dealer oils come from one of the large
oil refiners and that even the independent oil manufacturers probably buy
their base stocks and additive packages from the same large refiners. The
difference between one oil and another might be alot less than you might
think. I believe that many people make their buying decisions based on
advertising hype, whether their favorite pro uses that particular oil,
packaging, color, smell, etc., because in the absence of any really hard
test data, that's all there is to distinguish one oil from another.
Posted by: Vic
I have it in my mind that Wal-Mart oil is made by Mobil. I can't remember if I heard it or read it or what. Anybody know, for sure?
Posted by: Rich Rohrich
Vic - It wouldn't surprise me if Mobil was the source. There are only a handful of "REAL" refiners. Take heart in the fact that even though the base stock may be similar, the additive package is where a HUGE part of the cost lies, and the cheaper oils have different additive packages and less of it to start with. There has been so much NONSENSE and half-baked "oil science" tossed around DRN lately that an article seems like a good idea.
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Rich Rohrich
"Wisdom is not a product of schooling but of the life-long attempt to acquire it."
************** - Albert Einstein<p align=right> 05-29-2000 :Edited
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Posted by: Vic
Yes!! An article!! http://208.56.125.175/forums/ubb/smile.gif
Posted by: Racerdude
That is probably true about the yamalube, but what mosdt of us use is Yamalube 2R. not the 4R. I'm pretty sure that the 4R is a lesser product, but im not for sure. thank you for the info on oil. recently i have been having trouble with the royal purple that i use (that company sponsors me, i get free oil) It was fine in my last bike, but in my YZ125 it doesnt work worth a crap!! I have switched to silolene PRO 2 (it was highly recommended to me) and I have had GREAT results with it!!!!
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Posted by: WavyWasher
If someone is thinking of doing an article, I'd like to ask a question in advance. Why don't the oil manufacturers make more use of the JASO or ISO ratings in the info supplied on the bottle. Use of these gradings is really spotty. I've seen some real "run of the mill" oils that carry a JASO FC rating but then the same company's premium oil carries no rating at all. Spectro SX carries an ISO EGD+ but there is no grading on the Spectro GS bottle to use for any comparison. Just using the existing rating system would help somewhat in making buying decisions but there must be some reason it's not applied more.
Posted by: Jeremy Wilkey
Rich,
Please give us an article.. I have spent lots of time digesting these very issues..(And lots of time on Dr Xi's (LEE)) Infered spectrometer looking at diffrent suspension fluids. (all in the name of my Senoir resaerch project.. (Which was on GPS...See knew what I was doing but looked the other way..) http://208.56.125.175/forums/ubb/smile.gif
I would like to hear your very infomred spin. The truth hurts Only those who don't know the questions...
Jer
Posted by: GUS
The Walmart Tech 2000 oils were made by Quaker state for Walmart. Pennzoil acquired Quaker sales now, I dont know if they retained the contract, but probably.
Posted by: bwalker
Rich, spill the beans.bw
Posted by: joe woj
the proof is in the pudding so to say, when it comes time to tear down the topend, i cant say enough good about belray H1R, my power valves were clean and gapped the rings to check wear, and found very little, i did find some ash buildup in my exuast pipe, but thats common to full synthetic oils, i here good and bad about all oils on this forum but, i belive what i see, more than what i hear. my thoughts, JW
Posted by: bwalker
Okie, I think this post proves we need a fff(fluid fixation Forum). bw
Posted by: Formula
Do the properties that make an oil biodegradable(Walmart house brand marine 2-stroke synthetic for example) affect it's performance in high revving engines. That is do they have to compromise somewhere in order to make it meet the biodegradable standards.
Also who does make Walmarts house brand of car and motorcycle oils?
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Formula Ford
Posted by: SFO
Rich,
A snowmobile guy I used to work with said that he had Yamalube tested and it came up very similiar to Citgos' 2 stroke oil.
It was a tough pill that I have never swallowed, til' I heard it repeated, 15 years later!
I just figured he was a cheap ass Oakie that didn't want to kick down for the good stuff...
Ok, here is to saving and laughing at the oil forum backlash.
Bill
Posted by: petesidewalk
The Yamalube 4R is synthetic 4 stroke case oil, or it is now. It may have had a different designation when the thread was started. Yamalube 2R is a blend that uses a combination of several refined base stocks and an additive package. On the other hand, brands like Amsoil and Purple whatever are the real profit centers. Amsoil has a complicated approach to marketing its products. There is no storefront and it has to be ordered or bought from distributors (not cheap). The product is good, but not markedly better than some other profit center's offerings. I have analytical experience as well as a 20 plus year two-stroke dirt bike obsession.
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