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Posted by: Jeff Gilbert

and who's planning on trying to clear the big stepup this year that didn't try it last year? Considering it's still there. (I'll make it a poll)

Any other sections of the track that you didn't do last year that you are planning on doing this year?


Posted by: _SOLO_

If the stepup is there, I will try to do it. I bounced around near the top a few times so I am 99% sure I can do it.


Posted by: Tigger

Daddy I love you so I'll try to go up it this year but DON'T PUSH ME I'LL DO IT IN MY OWN TIME OK?


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert

Quote:
Originally posted by Tigger
DON'T PUSH ME

PUSH YOU??? If I remember correctly from last year, I had to pull you up it, litteraly.
Now go to bed!


Posted by: Sawblade

Quote:
Originally posted by _SOLO_
I am 99% sure I can do it.


I'm 99% sure I well not try it! Besides thats not a step up, its a mountain... and its the highest pike in the range!


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert

Whether I can actually make it over is yet to be determined. All I can say is I've had a year to think about it and a year to kick myself for not trying. That thing is like a reoccuring nightmare for me, it taunts me in my sleep, it's a mirage at every other track I go to and everytime I hear this little bell going DING DING. It's on the poster at the motorcycle shop where I buy my gas. I wanna jump that thing so bad. I hope I don't chicken out again this year and even more, I hope I make it over


Posted by: KelvinKDX

The step up - yeah i'll ride up it (same as last year.  but clear it - not me.

Any other sections of the track that i want to make this year - yep   -  i'd like to ride the track and get some air with out breaking my back again. 

I haven't been on a track since then (DW02) and am a little apprehensive.   


Posted by: Dapper

I've only seen pictures and I'm scared :scream:


Posted by: biglou

I'm eyeing the uphill double going into the rythm section behind the tower. I can do that one if I'd just turn it up about a half notch. The stepup wasn't open when we were there a couple weekends ago, but I'm still pretty sure I'm not even gonna attempt it. Riding up it's no prob, but I don't fly near that high...


Posted by: High Lord Gomer

I plan on doing the first tabletop after the start...I never tried that one last year, nor did I try the uphill rythm section just after the step-up that Lou mentioned. Some guy with goggles and a snorkle sure made it look easy last year!


Posted by: Danman

How far off the ground are you at any given time during the jump? I never saw anyone hit the bottom of it. Just come over the top of it. I guess I will have to show ya'll up on the old DR Like that's going to happen, NOT! It looks pretty scary though. I guess the main thing is having the guts to hit it with the throttle wide open! That's first and then learning to roll and bounce when you hit the ground is second

Hey Jeff can I borrow you bike for a minute


Posted by: dead

I'll try anything once. This being my first DW I hope to give it a whirl. Just hope my KDX takes the abuse. I'll need some help from you vets to get my suspension tuned first though.


Posted by: BEEF706

I'm talkin big now, and saying I'll try it, but I understand that it's like riding into the side of a building and trying to keep it pinned . Maybe I'll wait till late in the weekend (to see if VD can tow my truck home if I auger in).


Posted by: High Lord Gomer

You don't have to be pinned to hit it...I'm pretty sure Billy and Doug were letting off for it.

I think I was 2/3 of the way through 4th and then full throttle on the takeoff.

As far as height...not too far off the ground, but that's just because the ground is going *way* up with you!

Here are some links to pictures of it:

http://www.mindspring.com/~mnyland/CooperlandStepUp.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~mnyland/...landStepUp3.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~mnyland/...landStepUp4.jpg


Posted by: nikki

If someone volunteers to do it on my 250F first... then I'll be money!


I never saw any 125's or 250F's doing it last year though? But we were only there the last 2 days. Red nailed it a few times on Friday but didn't try it on Saturday (the approach was a lot choppier on Saturday). I can't remember if he said he was in 3rd or 4th on his 450.


Posted by: jboomer

Look at the runup to it! You've got all day to think about it, then talk yourself out of it!


Posted by: thumbs

I did it on Bundys 250F last year but couldnt make it on my 125. I would like to clear the first table top but it's way to loooong.


Posted by: Okiewan

Yup. Just like going WFO right into a wall I tell ya.


Posted by: Thump

Quote:
Originally posted by nikki
If someone volunteers to do it on my 250F first... then I'll be money!
See me when you get there. I pounded that thing with Bob's 250F and TwinSpank's old 250F over and over before DW last year. I just kept shifting and held it WFO.


Posted by: biglou

Just a reminder as to how big this thing is, here's me and PK riding up the part that you will be jumping over:
http://www.dirtrider.net/teamdrn/da...6965grudge3.jpg


Posted by: BEEF706

What is the gap from the lip to a place where ya won't die if ya land? (the crown I guess)


Posted by: Philip

I'll jump it on Josh's 85 just to show all you posers how to do it.


Posted by: High Lord Gomer

Tailbone was jumping it on Ivan's 250F last year by his second lap...and he'd never ridden a 250F before those 2 laps!

I'm curious top see if Jaybird is going to speak up and tel us how he plans to clear it this year while still on the bike! :scream:


Posted by: rv6junkie

Since I have never been to Cooperland, I have no first hand knowledge of this step-up. First off, it looks like a real pain in the arse. But it looks like something that you could hit in second or third, landing on the second (or third) rise without casing it. I'm I wrong?

One thing is for sure, I will NOT be hitting it in 4th wide open!

Looks like fun, can't wait to have a week long nightmare about it.


Posted by: blackhawk468

I was there this past weekend, they run the track a little different now and the straightaway before the step up is shorter.


Posted by: Senior KX Rider

Quote:
Originally posted by BigLou
Just a reminder as to how big this thing is, here's me and PK riding up the part that you will be jumping over:
http://www.dirtrider.net/teamdrn/da...6965grudge3.jpg



Why is it that you and PK are riding up the parrt you should be jumping over. If I get the cajones to jump it I will make sure there is a camera there to capture the moment, clear the top and the thrill of victory or crash and burn


Posted by: biglou

I just uploaded the hi-res video of Billy jumping it again. It's about 980k. Sounds like 4th gear pinned to me...

Click Me!


Posted by: Senior KX Rider

He sure makes it look easy.......its not that easy is it :confused:


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert

I'm guessing (and this is from my short memory) that the face is approx an 8' to 10' incline so steep that you can't walk straight up it. You have to sort of side step it or you'll come sliding down on your face. Like Bob said, "it's like hitting a brick wall wfo!" Againd as was mentioned, last year the run at it was so long you had all kinds of time to talk yourself out of it by the time you got there. There were so many laps I was a good 4th pinned till just at the face and every time I let off and slowed down (very quickly) for fear of life and limb. The key for me last year was trying to get most of the way up before landing because when you do land you had better down-shifted twice in the air or you aint making it up on a 125. I vividly recall landing anywhere from 1/2 tp 2/3 the way up, kind of dropped out of the sky and bounced once then fish-tailing the rest of the way up. I think it'd be much easier to fly over it.

Nikki, there were 80's clearing it last year after we left, doesn't that make ya feel good?


Posted by: slo' mo

pics and video are entirely way 2 dimensional. There's no OMG factor And to use Billy as a benchmark of how hard it it to jump is like using a sledgehammer to mash potatoes. Lou, we need a helmetcam version of you attempting it this year, BTW. If you've never been there you can't believe it.


Posted by: MrMXer327

Boneman and Ebbs from the North East Caravan were clearing it most of the week on 125's. I cleared it three times on my 426, but on the third one I tought I'd show off a bit. With a calculated clip of the top I was able to bouce the 426 about 12' back up in the air and pull off a spectactular nose dive Panic rev... What a save... But Ebbs wasn't so lucky in his MX race. I got that one on film... He bailed so hard that at one point the bike was about 10' or better above him cartwheeling. Shoulda seen the look on the Flagman's face on that one... Even better... Ebbs picked up the bent bike and finished the race. I think I'll pass on doing it this year myself, I am just glad to be back on a bike after getting the back rebuilt.


Posted by: Flying Scot

Eh ! What ! Where is the kiddie track !

Let me know which races use that track so I don't sign up for them.

You guys have a screw loose. :thumb:


Posted by: motometal

accidently jumping way past it makes for an interesting ride.  My advice (which I didn't follow): if you find a good line, stick with it.  Don't be curious about trying all the different lines on the face.


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert

Quote:
Originally posted by motometal
accidently jumping way past it makes for an interesting ride.  My advice (which I didn't follow): if you find a good line, stick with it.  Don't be curious about trying all the different lines on the face.

I think I remember that one.
You were taking the line right up the middle most of the time weren't you?


Posted by: Wraith

I got there Thursday and wouldn't try to clear the whole thing until Saturday, thinking it would be better to get hurt on the day I was leaving and not miss out on to much riding But seriously, it wasn't too bad. Like some one else said, you had all day to talk yourself out of it because of the approach. I would like to be able to do the little rythem section he had (right after the first 3 tabletops) for some reason I couldn't get those down. I did try a handfull of jumps over the first tabletop. One was tried in 2nd pinned OMG, that did not work out for the shorts.
So I guess the step up will still be there?


Posted by: wrench

Heck ..I'm just going to try and make a full lap without cutting the track in front of Jeff and BHawk this year! :thumb:


wrench


Posted by: Camstyn

Haven't even seen the damn thing in person yet, so of course I'm going to clear it! Yee ha! :scream:


Posted by: motometal

I actually saw the kiddie track first and thought it was part of the big track.  Where I come from, that kiddie track would be a nice track!

But as soon as we got out of the truck (and somebody in our group opened their first beer), we were approached by someone telling us all about this huge jump we had to go see.  Yes, it's pretty cool.  Jeff, I don't remember which line was which, but it was a hard bounce!

The tabletop Gomer mentioned is challenging, and I didn't do that one last year, even though I was doing other larger jumps.  A few times I gave that tabletop a half hearted approach, landed about a bike length short, and bounced so hard I didn't want to jump anything for a few minutes.  What I should have done is remembered how fast I went, and cranked it up about 2 notches on the next approach.

There were two camel hump type jumps that were relatively big and very fun.  The one behind the start gate was maybe 70 feet and not too high speed.  There was another one towards the end of the long jumpy section (near the open grassy field) which was more like 100 feet to clear the whole thing, and it was pretty high speed

The track may have changed and for all I know these aren't even there anymore. 


Posted by: efergason

I ride a 98 yz400 and couldn't quite get the nerve to jump it. Then I rode
True spodes 250f and jumped it for several days before getting sideways off the take off. crashed hard and didn't race the mx rounds on saturday.

I walked the jump off when I first jumped it and as i recall and i did crash hard enough to have hit my head and not remembered this correctly, but from the top of the take off to the top of the jump in vertical elevation is about 25 to 30 feet and overall distance is only about 60 to 70 feet.

All I know is that 1st attempt is a rush and once you clear it is so much easier on the body.

Tailbone


Posted by: GETMETOCA

Blackhawke was leading me around the track and had the foresight to go AROUND the step up for me, but on lap two I went up the face and it was a lot of fun just to do that. Lap three I bunny hopped off the lip and didn't quite make it up and needed help getting the bike back down. I don't recall who's nice teenage kids (They did well in the B class race if I recall) helped me get the bike down. I was riding Lou's (now Stan's) kTm250 which had all kinds of power, it was just my timid ability.

After that, I usually went a little faster than I normally do just to make sure I could get to the top with no worries, you can tractor up that thing if you have to! I was able to ride up it the rest of the week and the Saturday races with no trouble, although I remember the flagger "pretending" to have a rope pull attached to my bike as he "helped" me get to the top!


Posted by: High Lord Gomer

Cool! I know who I'm going to be watching this year!


Posted by: wrench

Quote:
Originally posted by High Lord Gomer
Cool! I know who I'm going to be watching this year!


"watching" ???
Is that your knees talking or just OLD AGE!


wrench


Posted by: Jaybird

After looking at the results of the poll to see who voted how...it sure looks like there may be at least a couple of sandbaggers lurking in the "will try" area.

I saw a couple of you guys make it... heck ate it up, yet you talk so tentatively.
I smell sandbagger!
LOL.....

MikeB....you need to be taking that jump. You got skills dewd.

Scott...you are racing A moto, yes?  Of course you are! 

 


Posted by: motometal

I probably won't race on Saturday, but you never know.  For me it takes away some of the relaxation of the trip to have the mental pressure of racing at the end of the week, but to each his (or her) own.  Last year I had so much fun prior to Saturday with no major mishaps, I was ready to relax and watch others have fun...in fact, it doesn't seem like I even rode much Saturday.

Anyway, this year I have an O-ring chain on my bike (which is very rarely lubricated), so with all that power being sucked away, i doubt i'll be able to make it over any jumps of any size.

sorry Jaybird, but if that last paragraph wasn't there, i'm afraid you would suspect someone hijacked my username and it wasn't really me posting...


Posted by: Jaybird

LOL.....


Posted by: Flying Scot

I'm riding the beer wagon all week !

Pffft ! 'A' class - C class for me as when I sandbag I want to do it properly and let everyone pass me. A real sandbagger does not show his skill even when in a race.  How can I raise the odds against me winning next year in class A if I don't come last in Class C this year. :thumb:

 


Posted by: nikki

So..... who all nailed it and who all chickened out??


Posted by: biglou

<--- No one here but us chickens... cluck-cluck!


Posted by: Camstyn

I spent a cool 5 laps on the big track all week combined

My clutch slave cylinder crapped out on Saturday morning so I missed practice and only got one lap in on the B qualifier.. Needless to say I chickened out on jumping almost everything.


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert


I chickened out, I should be flogged and I suck! I didn't get much time on the big track this year untill Sat and even then only during my 2 laps of practice. I made it to the top during the race and that was after letting off and coasting up the face so I know I could have easily done it. Other areas of frustration were the 2nd double in the back, and the last stepup in the back. Each time I came up to them I said (outloud) "damnit, I can do this!!! I will on the next lap" but I never did. :whiner:
In track obstical order- the 1st 3 tabletops I had no problems, the rythym section I rode as if I were on a trials bike but that was okay with me (I did double out), the next stepup behind the start I was clearing and often over jumped. I was clearing the 1st table in the back but whimped out everytime on the next double and cussed each lap (ask the flagger). Next table I did but the bigger stepup caught the same amount of foul language from me as I coasted to the top everytime. I had a little trouble after the sweeper where the ruts were if I looked at the ruts. Once I looked past the ruts I was okay. Next is the BIG STEPUP. I was almost in the top of 4th as I approached the face yet I downshifted and let off everytime with the same amount of vocabulary as the lap before. Down the big hill, around the corner and to the next stepup and I landed at the top wondering why . Up hill roller I was flying and the finish line I was hitting okay yet I came up slightly shorter than I should have but didn't really lose anytime on it. The off camber was tricky for me.
In all I was dissapointed in my lack of aggression on the track, I know I could have done better. There's always next year I suppose :thumb:


Posted by: High Lord Gomer

It seemed harder this year due to all of the bumps leading up to it, but I only really got to ride on Thursday and I believe he cleaned it up some after that.&nbsp; Brian got some pictures of it and I know I had to look like a goon every time...nose high and feet floating off the pegs, but I did have the right wrist twisted. :confused:

The first tabletop was easier than I expected. I don't think it was as steep this year as it was last year.

The rythm section looked intimidating, buit after watching Ike double the first set in both 1st and 2nd gear (he frequently does seat bouncing in 1st gear to show the utility of it) I decided to do it.

Sadly, I only got in a half day of decent riding. Wednesday afternoon was sloppy and I crashed out Thursday.


Posted by: dead

I was close a few times. After a nice crash on the step up right after the 'big un' I decided to take it easy the rest of the week. If I had knee pads and a MX bike I would have tried till I got it.


Posted by: CRPilot

I was pretty happy that having never seen the track before, I cleared the big step up on my fifth lap. I did like the track for the reason that most of the jumps were table tops and you could work your way up without fear of planting yourself into the face of a double. Challenging, yet safe. Next year I will pace myself a bit better. This year after riding Tues, Wed, Thurs, Friday, I was flat out spent for the races on Saturday.


Posted by: motometal

The big stepup was ok, although when I was on the track it was so rough leading up to it that the CR250 needed much throttle in 4th to clear it.&nbsp; My favorite jump was probably the smaller step up after it.&nbsp; On the KX100, it took maximum throttle to get on the back side, with an on-so-smooth landing!&nbsp; There something about just holding it wide open and letting the laws of physics handle the rest...I love it!

There was a short table on the small track with a very steep takeoff and landing, and a tight right hander afterwards...that ruled as well.&nbsp; You could let the front end drop WAY down due to the steep angle of the down ramp!


Posted by: oldguy

http://www.dirtrider.net/teamdrn/da..._big_stepup.jpg
Thekid's goal was to get the stepup down this year. Moving form the 125 to a 250f the biggest problem he had was overjumping it


Posted by: LazyBoy

What gear did it take on a 125 anybody?


Posted by: Wraith

Did anybody get any pictures of the guy on the KTM 125 (#6) doing heelclickers over it? That was pretty cool looking.


Posted by: High Lord Gomer

HEY!&nbsp; When did my name get added to the poll at the top?!?



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