All About Engine Oils

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  1. jaguar

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    Here’s my new page about engine oils. I never know how uninformed I am on a subject till I fully research it. I hope you find it helpful. http://www.dragonfly75.com/moto/oil.html


     
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    To double check I spoke on the phone with Joey Cabrera at Motul and he assured me that I was on the right path by thinking that the principle consideration is the final mixed viscosity. He also assured me that viscosity index and flash point are indicators of the quality of the product which is why I used the oils ratings for those two to come up with comparative oil ratings. He was glad to know (but not surprised) that Motul 800 rated #1 in my comparison.
    So now here's my video about the subject:
     
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    That video has been replaced with this one:
     
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    Almost all big business is corrupt because what they mostly care about is making lots of money, much more than doing whats right by the customer. This chapter of my story is a case in point. I was shocked at how little “disclosure” has been made by the engine oil makers and so I studied up on the subject of fuel/oil ratios in relation to engine oil characteristics and made a spreadsheet calculator that used an oils viscosity and flash point temperature to calculate the minimum oil needed depending on different factors such as type of riding. Then sharing this discovery on the thumpertalk forum attracted “mototribology” who in his signature says that he only cares about threads talking about engine oils. Obviously to have only one interest in the motorcycling world means he probably has some connection and vested interest in the engine oil business. But that was just speculation on my part. He then started countering every idea I presented about oils I got from my studying the subject and using my logic to come to some conclusions. He even countered a statement I got from his own web site! And he never gave any references to back up his statements. Probably he thought people would believe him since he has a website dedicated to the topic of engine lubrication. But why does he have that site? Is it just because he likes the topic or does he have some monetary interest that would want him to counter my revealing of industry secrets? Well in another thread on the same forum he admitted “Companies like mine and our competitors are not going to tell you the formulas or divulge more information than necessary for the most part. We generally like to keep these things to ourselves.” to which I replied “thank you for being honest to admit you are part of a controlling system that treats people like nothing but a puppet to be manipulated and used as a "customer". That explains why you are acting to confuse the readers here and contradict me although my formula has already proved itself by showing agreement with other recommended ratios. You are otherwise known as a "disinformation agent”.” Then upon looking through his site I found the reason for his wanting to discredit what I’m revealing. He wrote: “My name is Andrew and I am the product formulator and manage the technical aspects of the powersports line for a major lubricant manufacturer.”
    http://www.mototribology.com
    So he admits his involvement with an oil company and that they want to keep the truth hidden. I’m giving my information to the general public to empower them. Knowledge is power. The fact that he’s come against me is evidence that I’m on to something, especially since he admitted that the oil companies are “not going to tell you the formulas or divulge more information than necessary”.
    Now comes the fun part, guessing which company he lies for. Since he jumped right in with full force on that other thread once I said that the H1-R oil of Bel-Ray is not very good then I think he works for Bel-Ray. That sounds about right since I’ve found more technical “discrepancies” with their products than with any other. That and the fact that no where in the H1-R literature does it say it has 1% mineral oil in it but he says their literature does say that. Only someone that works for Bel-Ray would know something that isn’t publicly disclosed. What the safety data on it says is that petroleum derived naptha solvent is less than 1% of the product.
    So here are the claims I made which he slyly tried to refute:
    1) Oil viscosity is the main aspect of it that enables it to protect engine parts
    2) Viscosity Index is high with synthetic oils and low (under 120) with mineral oils
    3) Viscosity index should be high in an oil used in a high RPM high heat engine

    Another person on that thread said he looked Andrew up on Google and, sure enough, he works for Bel-Ray!
     
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    In the engine oil test at http://www.wdarc.org/articles_files/2 stroke Oil Test.pdf the author of the test said that Bel-Ray H1-R does not seem to have combustible oil since it slowed down the test engine until he richened the fuel/air mixture to make up for that loss. So I had the idea of lighting different oils on fire to see which ones produced the biggest flames, with the assumption that those would be the ones contributing more power since they contribute to the combustion flame. The details and conclusions of the test are at http://www.dragonfly75.com/moto/oilpower.html
     
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