Can you do it on a 500?

High Lord Gomer

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This weekend I got to ride Kawboy's KX500 again and I scared myself, again. It made me think of the question:

Can you ever really use the full power of a 500 in a decent traction situation?

The reason I ask is that there are times when I am on the pipe and full throttle on my 250, but leaning way forward to compensate. Is it possible to ever get far enough forward on a 500 to use all of its power or are you always having to be careful about not giving it too much?

I'd really like to consider a 500 as my next bike, but they scare me!
 

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Originally posted by High Lord Gomer:
I'd really like to consider a 500 as my next bike, but they scare me!
<Arnold voice on>
You are such a girlie man! Why didn't you just say: "Oooooh... These manly bikes are too much for my girlie muscles to hold onto"? ;)
<voice off>
 

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Gomer, After seeing you ride I didn't think anything scared you!

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Would you count the Sand dunes as a decent traction situation? The 500 is king out there because it is desirable to spin a tire, rather than "hook up" in the conventional sense. I suppose if you were going really fast (say desert racing) it would be possible to use all the 500 has to offer, as you would be geared down enough to accelerate instead of wheelie off. Other than that, maybe you could gain a few pounds... met a guy in the dunes that weighed so much that he had trouble wheelying big... must have been well over 300#. HUGE guy. He leaned over the front, and it didn't go much of anywhere.
 
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I rode a CR500 a couple of months ago and it had to be the closest to a near death experience I have ever realized! :o
More than this 150lbs scrawny *$$ could hang on to.

I'll stick to the 125 & 250 and have a good time doing it. :)

I will say I have respect for those of you that can hang on to those beasts.

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Its not only about pure power or using the "ALL" the power. not many pros can utilize the full power of a 250.

here is my thought.
Its how you use the power available, and when that kick butt hit really works. Not to mention like Okie says throttle control is the whole deal with a 500. If you try to ride it like you ride your 250, you will get that poke goober with a stick syndrome for sure.

Honestly the way it is now for me is that a 500 can be rode fast with less effort if you know what your doing.
500's are an aquired taste that a lot of people are finding out is pretty cool.

wardy

goomer on a 500, this will be interesting for sure, i hope you get an A/F.
 
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It's all about getting used to it I think...I love my 500 in the sand. The first three gears do take some throttle control, but it's all good...

It's what I'm used to, at 185lbs, there's not much that can beat me at a sand drag.. :D
 

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Bbbom ( I think thats what her name is??)
She has a Cr500af and from what I hear She loves it. You guys must have some like 500 sticker on the side of a 780 tul-aris in dirt form or something.

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Wardy i thought that clutch control would be more important than anything else on the bike, sure the throttle has some part but feeding that power out would be more important right??
I wish i could get my hands on a 500 to see what there like, im 6'5 and 95 kgs and my 250 scares me in the woods sometimes, but sometimes on open grass tracks i feel like i need more power.
 

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your right to some extent clutch managment is one of the most important things on a 500. but as we all get tired and riding longer we tend to forget the clutch use and concentrate on the right hand and its twisting ability.
wardy


oh....... HEy that comment above about the 2001 being the "last good A/F" is kinda a stretch they will be built and assembled very well for years to come. AJ and my bro in law take a lot of pride in building those bikes! that won't change any time soon!
 

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You're right CRguy, this petite & dainty little thing loves her CR500!! It isn't an AF, just the old style 94 model with a few mods.

Gomer, not sure what you mean by traction situation but my 500 is great in everything we ride - mud, roots, rocks, good traction, dusty crap, some sand.... For hill climbs it is amazing, but since I'm still learning how to keep myself on the bike I tend to stop in some less than desireable areas but can usually get it to continue up the hill if I can start it without sliding back down the hill. The alternate method is to launch it as far as it will go then catch up!! ;)

What I really love is that I can pop it over any tree, root, rock, rut......whatever I run into. Of course staying on it and upright after we have popped over the obstacle is another skill I am working on but, it's better than trying to drag my KLX over the stuff. As for keeping the front end down, that's all in the clutch/throttle combo. Yes, I do sit as close to on top of the tank as I can.

Wardy said it best, the right hand controls the situation.

I know Karl's buddies were all against me getting the CR500 - she'll get hurt when she gets tired..she's a woman.......

In reality, my CR500 is easier for me to ride on long rides than my KLX300 was. I never did get my KLX set up like I wanted to but after riding the 500 I wasn't interested in the 300 anymore. The weight of the 500 is less than my 300 and the power is very controllable the way we have it set up. As for starting the beast (which is the other complaint I hear) - one to two kicks but I have never been accused of having girlie muscles (at least not more than once!!)

I also rode my brother's KX250 on our trails. It was a fun bike but I felt like I was on a pogo stick. The power was not as controllable for me.

So, Gomer, don't be skeered!!! The big bores won't hurt you if you are nice to them!! ;)

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Originally posted by TwinSpar:
<Arnold voice on>
You are such a girlie man! Why didn't you just say: "Oooooh... These manly bikes are too much for my girlie muscles to hold onto"? ;)
<voice off>
Whatchoo doingk usingk my voice widdout my permission?! Must I pummel you?! I am so ankgry! :p
 

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I usually forget that I have a clutch on my 500. About the only time that I use it is when I stop. It is all about the throttle control. If by some chance you hear the power rev, get out of the way as soon as possible - most likely that is what I am also trying to do.

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I am wondering what the lap times are for the 500 class vs 250s. I think the European GP circuit is the only place still racing 500s. Right?