Questionable law enforcement tatics
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buffalorider
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Well I am a cop, am also new to this site, I ride at least twice a week out here in Colorado and feel for those of you who have to put up with those issues. First of all, I used to live in northern Ohio and know how some of you feel. There were just no places to ride, period. After moving out west, I can ride right out my back door and go onto BLM land (Gov't owned) where I have made a 14 mile hare scramble loop I practice on weekly for my races. All I have to do to be legal is pay my $15.25 fee for my public lands use and I am good to go. Yes cops all over the country will use any type of method there is to get you if the issue at hand deems it necessary. However, please do not move out west. Doing so could make it worse for me :)
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ask permission from landowners first ,don`t ruin it for everyone else.my home town recently banned all dirt bikes and atv`s from being used in town limits after years of free rein.I`ve talked to the cops ,our town manager(my boss)no go.but skidoos are allowed to run rampant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Casper250 said:
Where are you riding? I used to live and ride on Long Island. Are you talking about Manorville? Exit 70 LIE, Hot water street? Where are you riding? Also what track do they have open legally out there now? I know they closed West Hampton and Rocky Point a long time ago. BTW I live in North Carolina now.
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The track that opened is in Yaphank, right around the town dump and Grucci fireworks(can't complain about noise there!). It opened 3-4 years ago and I ride there all the time. It's a nice supercross style track. Expensive to go to($150 to join, $30 every time you go) but like I said it's the only game in town. www.islandmotocross.com
As for the place I'm talking about, Here is an arial picture.
http://www.terraserver.com/imagery/...5&cpy=40.89497899&res=8&provider_id=305&t=pan
If you look at the right side of the picture you can see the sand pit. It's right below the road that runs diagonally up and to the right. To the bottom of the sand pit are parking lots to the baseball fields. To the right are power lines(little different them my description before as i don't usually ride there). There are no buildings on the site.
As for the place I'm talking about, Here is an arial picture.
http://www.terraserver.com/imagery/...5&cpy=40.89497899&res=8&provider_id=305&t=pan
If you look at the right side of the picture you can see the sand pit. It's right below the road that runs diagonally up and to the right. To the bottom of the sand pit are parking lots to the baseball fields. To the right are power lines(little different them my description before as i don't usually ride there). There are no buildings on the site.
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Casper250 said:
I've been hearing that Carlos really is a man. But that don't mean it's true. Maybe he's got a friend who's a man, maybe he looka like a man, or maybe he taped a fake "manhood" thinger between his thighs. Point is, the grapevine can spit out some crazy stories that sound so close to the truth.
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Yes, and Dirtweek doesn't happen because I have never seen it and I have never met some one personally who has gone to it. I've only heard of it through an internet posting site and stories on the internet have a tendency to elaborate on such events. :debil: :p :debil:
Like I said, I heard some of this from my friend who was riding his quad there. He was the one that told me about the zip ty thing and the fake being hurt because he got a ticket riding there.
I posted this because I wouldn't put it pass cops in this area to do things like this. I have seen first hand what happened when they do catch some one. I was 13 and my friend was 15 when we got an old POS husky 250. We spent the entire day trying to get this thing to run. My buddy took it on the street and rode up a hill, he turned around and it died on the way back down the hill. As he's coasting down the hill, a cop car see's him, pulls up in front of him and makes him stop. Cop gets out of the car and immediately takes the spark plug boot off the plug and takes my friends helmet. I'm at his house no more the 100 yards away watching this happen. He and the cop come back to his house where the cop proceeds to write tickets for unlicensed driver, unregistered, uninsured driver, and not street legal bike. On top of it he threatened to impound the bike.
I would bet that most of the posters here have taken their bike for a rip down the street at least once. I would like to know how many people here have only riden on land that was theirs or at a privat track. How many have taken their bikes out in the woods, or some power lines, or some fire line or some field that they know?
Like I said, I heard some of this from my friend who was riding his quad there. He was the one that told me about the zip ty thing and the fake being hurt because he got a ticket riding there.
I posted this because I wouldn't put it pass cops in this area to do things like this. I have seen first hand what happened when they do catch some one. I was 13 and my friend was 15 when we got an old POS husky 250. We spent the entire day trying to get this thing to run. My buddy took it on the street and rode up a hill, he turned around and it died on the way back down the hill. As he's coasting down the hill, a cop car see's him, pulls up in front of him and makes him stop. Cop gets out of the car and immediately takes the spark plug boot off the plug and takes my friends helmet. I'm at his house no more the 100 yards away watching this happen. He and the cop come back to his house where the cop proceeds to write tickets for unlicensed driver, unregistered, uninsured driver, and not street legal bike. On top of it he threatened to impound the bike.
I would bet that most of the posters here have taken their bike for a rip down the street at least once. I would like to know how many people here have only riden on land that was theirs or at a privat track. How many have taken their bikes out in the woods, or some power lines, or some fire line or some field that they know?
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Sure we all have done it but that doesn't make it ok.
I speed to but I don't argue when I get a speeding ticket. If I didn't want a ticket I shouldn't have sped.
Bottom line is you are responsible for following the rules. If you don't then whatever consequence is your fault and not anyone elses. If you get away with it, great. More power to you. If you don't, then you can only blame yourself.
Ivan
I speed to but I don't argue when I get a speeding ticket. If I didn't want a ticket I shouldn't have sped.
Bottom line is you are responsible for following the rules. If you don't then whatever consequence is your fault and not anyone elses. If you get away with it, great. More power to you. If you don't, then you can only blame yourself.
Ivan
It also doesn't make the cop's work useful to society either. While the donut-eater was writing those two boys a bunch of tickets for doing something that wasn't harming anyone, he wasn't out investigating murders, rapes, robberies, or other "real" crime. Crime where there is an actual victim who has been violated in some manner by another person.
Kids ride dirt bikes on my street all the time. I could care less. I'm not interested in having the cops hassle kids over meaningless crap. I'm interested in them investigating burglaries, robberies, and other crimes with an actual victim. This "police as Roman tax collector" BS is why much of the public has a low view of law enforcement in general.
Kids ride dirt bikes on my street all the time. I could care less. I'm not interested in having the cops hassle kids over meaningless crap. I'm interested in them investigating burglaries, robberies, and other crimes with an actual victim. This "police as Roman tax collector" BS is why much of the public has a low view of law enforcement in general.
Ah another "real crime" whiner, are you the guy that get's a speeding ticket and complains the cop should have better things to do? I can't speak for others areas but I can for my own. As a general rule the police are too busy to bother with these issues unless a property owner complains. If the property owner complains their private property is being "violated" by some unknown trespassers they are likely forced into action.
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mtk said:
The 400 members of our riding club would be victims if the trespassers that continually invade our property were to cause us to lose our lease. Would you agree? That's a personal example, but all land owners rights should be protected. Just because they're not the victims you hear about in the news everyday doesn't mean they're not victims. And the next time you or someone you loves needs police assistance, think about your "donut eater" comment.
I was referring to the two kids being hassled for riding up their street by the cop while trying to get a rat bike running.
And I'll stand by the "donut-eater" comment as well. The courts have decided, more than once, that the police have no obligation whatsoever to protect any individual. Their job is to come in afterwards, write a report, and maybe, just maybe, actually find and arrest the person who did it. So anyone who thinks that dialing 911 is going to save them, they're most likely going to be sorely mistaken. I've known quite a few folks who've been burglarized and the refrain from the cops is always the same, "There's nothing we can do; call your insurance company." Yes these same fine officers seem to have no shortage of time to work speed traps and collect revenue for the local government. "Serve and Protect" is a farce. It's more like "Harass and Collect." That's one thing I DO like about my local community: it has very few cops. One township over has five times the number of officers and the only net difference is they spend a lot more money on new patrol cars all the time and have speed traps all over the place to generate revenue. I'll take people being left alone, thanks.
Most importantly, I'm glad I don't live in that Socialist Utopia called Canada.
And I'll stand by the "donut-eater" comment as well. The courts have decided, more than once, that the police have no obligation whatsoever to protect any individual. Their job is to come in afterwards, write a report, and maybe, just maybe, actually find and arrest the person who did it. So anyone who thinks that dialing 911 is going to save them, they're most likely going to be sorely mistaken. I've known quite a few folks who've been burglarized and the refrain from the cops is always the same, "There's nothing we can do; call your insurance company." Yes these same fine officers seem to have no shortage of time to work speed traps and collect revenue for the local government. "Serve and Protect" is a farce. It's more like "Harass and Collect." That's one thing I DO like about my local community: it has very few cops. One township over has five times the number of officers and the only net difference is they spend a lot more money on new patrol cars all the time and have speed traps all over the place to generate revenue. I'll take people being left alone, thanks.
Most importantly, I'm glad I don't live in that Socialist Utopia called Canada.
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Well that is what is great about our country, even idiots who break the law are covered by the Bill of Rights, which by the way doesn't grant police officers any rights whatsoever and in fact takes rights away from them even when they are at home, off-duty with their families conversing with anti-law enforcement whiners on the internet.
The greatest thing about our country is that you can damn near say anything you want, whenever you want and then those same people that take every advantage of that right complain when others have an opposing view and exercise that same right. Go figure....
You know it is just not worth the time or frustration....
You can tell a squirrel that it needs to be a chipmunk until the end of time...it will still be a squirrel.
The greatest thing about our country is that you can damn near say anything you want, whenever you want and then those same people that take every advantage of that right complain when others have an opposing view and exercise that same right. Go figure....
You know it is just not worth the time or frustration....
You can tell a squirrel that it needs to be a chipmunk until the end of time...it will still be a squirrel.
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mtk said:
Have you ever lived in an area with a high or even moderate level of crime? If not, I can understand how you're basing your opinions. The crime in our area continues to escalate in frequency and severity. The local police in our area are not without fault. But, I am surely thankful for the overall job they do.
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You guys crack me up, I'm surprised it went on as long as it has. "Donut eaters" huh. The courts have decided that they have no obligation to protect any individual? Are you on rope or something, you must be my little friend. We are there to save lives, catch the low life that just stole your bike or chase down the moron that drove drunk and killed your spouse. Don't confuse the statement that ther's nothing we can do at a burglary. Being spread thin is an understatement. Resources are at a low, in most departments. The calls of you running up and down your street takes away from the normal in view patrol time. Preventive patrol is just that, be in view, make a difference. I don't disagree that there are bad apples in any profession. But to say you'd be better off left alone, you must be in your teens, that's my guess.
Speed trap is a term for those that have been caught speeding and they didn't think it was fair. Did you speed? If you answer yes, then quit whining, take responsibility for your actions. There seems to be a shortage of that lately as well. You'd be surprised how things would change if people, mainly parents, took responsibility for their kids. Don't shelter them and say, "Oh, it's ok, that was a speed trap" Give me a break, try taking their car for a month to remind them to slow down.
It's sad you feel that way MTK, funny thing is, you get the same protection that everyone else does, with no prejudice from what you say and feel. If you needed my help, I can promise you I will be there for you, no matter how many donuts you think I eat. ;)
Speed trap is a term for those that have been caught speeding and they didn't think it was fair. Did you speed? If you answer yes, then quit whining, take responsibility for your actions. There seems to be a shortage of that lately as well. You'd be surprised how things would change if people, mainly parents, took responsibility for their kids. Don't shelter them and say, "Oh, it's ok, that was a speed trap" Give me a break, try taking their car for a month to remind them to slow down.
It's sad you feel that way MTK, funny thing is, you get the same protection that everyone else does, with no prejudice from what you say and feel. If you needed my help, I can promise you I will be there for you, no matter how many donuts you think I eat. ;)
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Thanks, but I got lost in the moment and forgot to answer the key question. Try to put yourself in their shoes, walk a mile in them. Maybe the local law enforcement get tired of folks running when they are trying to contact them. How many people are put in jeopardy because one person decides to run? Well, I can name two right of the bat, the runner and the police officer. If you did wrong, stop and be responsible. If you did no wrong, why run? Those strange and odd tactics may save some from being hurt, killed or jailed because they ran. But that's just my opinion...
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a454elk, I agree with everything you've said. I am curious as to your opinion on the orginal post, though. The second tactic with the tie over the clutch sounds pretty reasonable... but a law enforcement officer faking an accident so that someone will stop to help that they can ticket seems pretty ridiculous to me. That sounds made up.
That comment is essentially true. Law enforcement cannot guarantee the safety of each individual nor is an officer REQUIRED to unnecessarily endanger themselves in the performance of their duties. That is a real fuzzy topic full of scenarios, opinions, and theories, and not really relevant to dirt bike riding without permission...but anyway.a454elk said:
I'd hate to think cops were actually knocking people off their bikes to write them a ticket.
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I hope you get it figured out, Casper, cuz it's gone south here
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