What oil do I use for the 1st oil change?

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I have one ride on my '01 KTM M/XC 400. Which oil should I use for the first oil change? And then which oil do I use for the second?

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For the first oil change I'd use whatever the manual suggests. After that it would depend on whether or not I liked the performance and price of the first oil.

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Just as woodsdude said ,i didn't find Shell Advance in my area so i used another synthetic oil ( Belray EXS 10W50) .Any high quality motorcycle specific synthetic oil should do.Be sure to change the filters and clean the screens ,i made my first maintenance at 3.03 hours and there was some metal shavings in the oil (propably due to production),the valves where tigth also, so it would be wise to have a look there.BTW you dont need to remove or drain the rads,just unscrew them from the frame ..you should have enough space (even if it is a little tigth).
Check all fastener on the bike,even with low vibes they unscrew like crazy ,i blue loctited nearly everything.A hourmeter is a good investment (35$US)...And most important roost on !!!



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I also have a '01 400mxc and for the first oil change (1hour) i used Spectro 20w50 full petro based. My dealer said do not use synthetic or semi-synth. i dont recall the reason but i also heard this from a number of other sources.

I would be very interested in why i was told not to use Synth. It seems everyone has a different opinion on what type of oil to use.
 
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Full synth are so good at preventing wear that they may prevent proper break-in...KTM recommend synthetics anyway so i used what they said ....they built that engine so they should know what is good for it... I read it was less critical on plated cylinders... Mine run real fine now...stronger than out of the crate....For good info on oils have a look at : www.belray.com tech section consumer products ...very usefull...


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OK here's the scoop. We have a KTM Factory representative that visits DRN and sometimes posts. Shell is next to nonexistant in the states but it's no big deal. ANY top shelf synthetic will do fine as long as it meets the specs called for in the manual. KTM specifies synthetic because the oil volume in the RFS is very small and synthetics can handle the heat and stresses. Amsoil, Motul, Silkolene and several others will serve the purpose just fine. All you need to do is keep it changed and keep the filters cleaned and replaced. All of the too slippery, eats seals, and other myths are just that. Use synthetic as KTM says to and you will be just fine.
 
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Patman,you should be president!!The world would be a better place for it...



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Synthetic oils only,
Also very important is the viscosity.
10w40 for cold weather ie. under 5 deg c
15w50 for anything above that.
Also change it as much as you can.
Fresh oil never wore out a motor.

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The same guy that Patman refers to has also posted that fully synthetic oil is not what they really recommend for the RFS's. He said something like (I can't find the post anymore) "90% of the guys that use fully syn will be fine but some of the guys that are aggressive clutch users are going through clutches quickly". He went on to say that at the RFS service classes that KTM holds for their dealers they recommend using a semi-synthetic oil.

Those posts could've been on the Holeshot KTM board as the same guys posts there as well but I couldn't find them there, either.

I've been using belray semi-synthetic in mine and I plan to continue doing that.

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