SpeedyManiac
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SpeedyManiac said:Hopefully that clears up a little bit of the misconception behind powerbands.
oldguy said:So how does putting in a purple one work or is the Chucktanium one still the best ;) :)
oldguy said:Now hopefully your post will draw out real questions and help educate some of the newbies :cool:
Nothing like a heaping teaspoon of correctness to ruin you day, huh?? :nod: I don't know about HP increasing faster than torque, but have you ever notice on a dyno chart that the HP and torque are the same at 5252 rpm. This is because HP is a product of torque. The formula for HP is torque*rpm/5252.4thGearAndPinned said:so you mean when the hp starts increasing faster than the torque, that is the powerband?
I knida like the old way of thinking, then some bub comes in spreading all of his propaganda, i just don't know.
well we have had a bit of trouble getting enough unobtainium to make one for you. If you can just wait as patiently as you have been I think there is a chance that a new source is about to be locatedWaltCMoto said:Im still waiting to recieve mine (power band) in the mail. I ordered them from Oldguy last April. :whoa:
SpeedyManiac said:Hi all,
If you have ever ridden a two-stroke, you’ve felt the ‘hit’ when the powervalve opens, which is basically a sudden increase in power. Many people refer to this as the powerband of a bike. This is wrong.
SpeedyManiac said:Neat information, I never knew the actual definition.Very Cool. I have a few questions though......
That period in time when you feel the "hit"... arent you feeling the point that you described between peak torque and RPMs? Torque is something that you can feel when riding. Imagine that range when torque is reaching it's greatest point, along with the RPMs peaking....think of that in terms of what the rider will feel....So in a way, I would say that the hit you describe is the powerband, or rather what the riders feels because of it?
I have a '75 MX400 that is VERY peaky. It has a light switch "hit" that will rip your arms out in whatever gear you gas it in...and it has no powervalve at all. So the "hit" does not necessarily have to do with the powervalve.
Although, I would expect the powervalve to come into play if so equipped, at or shortly before the point that the RPMs are reaching peak range so it is probably also coincidentally accurate to say that when the power valve opens, you are in the power band....?
Dave,oldguy said:So how does putting in a purple one work or is the Chucktanium one still the best ;) :)
Now hopefully your post will draw out real questions and help educate some of the newbies :cool:
You should have ordered them here: Click linkWaltCMoto said:Im still waiting to recieve mine (power band) in the mail. I ordered them from Oldguy last April. :whoa:
4thGearAndPinned said:so you mean when the hp starts increasing faster than the torque, that is the powerband?
I knida like the old way of thinking, then some bub comes in spreading all of his propaganda, i just don't know.
SpeedyManiac said:Yes, you are right. I've been thinking about it and have a tough time explaining powervalve function as I'm not completely sure on its workings. Rich can probably give a better explanation.
Here's my understanding though:
The powervalve is used to widen the powerband on two-strokes. It operates by changing the exhaust port size at a certain RPM. At low RPMs, a smaller exhaust port means more power, but once the engine gets to a certain RPM, the powervalve opens, increasing the exhaust port size, letting more exhaust gases flow out faster, increasing power. There is a jump in torque when the bike opens the powervalve, so you feel a 'hit.'
Non-powervalved two-strokes are generally peakier (a feel like they hit harder) because the bikes run poorer than their powervalve equipped brothers. When they start running well (exhaust port size is matched to RPM, engine load and throttle position), they come on strong.
So, in summary, I may be wrong saying the powerband starts when the powervalve opens. It depends on the individual bike.
Sorry if I'm not making sense, spent most of the day in class, then working on homework, then fixing up some pictures for some photo contests and stuff, and then I came to check DRN. My brain is toast at the moment.
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