Advice.. the PERFECT WHIP

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Let me startout by saying, hello to all my fellow dirt riders.. SALUT!
In the midst of back 2 back accounting classesthis summer, it pleases me greatly to have Finally, after 2 long years, attain the ultimate trick for the Weekend Rider.... The TAIL WHIP..
I just need a little more advice, so i can
A: Get the bike far out enough to do a NAC NAC.. (the next goal)
B: Eventually be able to do a Carmicheal Whip.. (almost Upside down flat)

resolution:
Should I drive harder into the jump face and throw the bars harder?? Or should I start my lean earlier in the jump face?? It's taken me this long to figure it out.. I would like to do a NACNAC this weekend for a good friend of mine, who just had surgery.. He is coming out to watch, and it would just kinda make the day complete..(he used to crash every time we rode trying to do one)
Thanks in advance..
J

P.S. I just LOVE the weightless feeling!!
 

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ok, so what i want to know is how you progressed into it. i want to whip more than anything, but so far it ain't happening.
 
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You know what will?? I don't think i could even tell you how to do it.. but here's how it happened..
A guy that was riding with us on sunday was talking alot about how fast he is, and I just had to "show my speed" you know... Anyway.. As I was pulling faster laps, I just kinda got in a zone.. I have, for a long time, been throwing the bars over jumps and drop offs at low speed. It helps you to stay low.. Anyway.. I have been messing around with the techinique for a while now on a smaller tabletop at the track.. I always try getting a little loose in the air now and then, trying new styles..well, this one lap, i went into the triple WAY to fast.. something just made me pitch the bike over before it left the jump face.. I guess I hit it at JUST the ride time to discover the right feeling.. I couldn't get it quite the same for the next couple laps, but by the end of the day, it was looking pretty good, (as the jealous defeated rider was saying)
It's kinda like this..
get faster than usual into the jump,
stay about mid seat, (the further back you sit, the more the back end will kick out when you rebound)
When your front wheel starts to rebound off the face, swivel your waist in the direction you want to throw the rear end to, cut the rear wheel loose (little blurp of the throttle)
Throw the bars hard into the opposite direction..
To gather it back, simply return the bars straight forward while turning your waist back to square the landing...
Sounds weird, it's the best way i can describe it. the whole techinque takes about 100th of a second to execute.. It's really a cool feeling...
 

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so if i want to whip left, then i rotate clockwise at the waist? in otherwords, throw my ass to the left? then, i throw the bars hard to the left?

wp.
 

MX Mac

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If you haven't already, Check out 'Wraithchild' on Video. There is one shot of RC doing a Nac, in slow mo, with not much whip or much speed. My advice, forget the tabletop for the Nac Whip, find something steep, with a step down. ie...More air and more time. Do the nac, then add the whip.

Also, doing the perfect whip, at speed, is like hitting a golf ball with 'draw" on it. It looks good and feels good. As does getting your first fat paycheck as an accountant. Know where I'm going with this.....
 
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I'm right handed.. so I think of it this way..
if you want to whip the bike out to the right, Rear brake lever out,
you need to turn your hips clockwise about 20 degrees or more..
You'll notice, when RC whips a bike his leg comes completely off the peg on the whipped out side (sometimes.. Ok.....RC is everywhere on bike, he is a bad example). Swiveling the hips seems to make the bike lighter on the side you turn to, and helps your body lower the center of gravity on the opposite side, making the bike turn away from you.. When you straighten the bike up, it all falls back in line..
 

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gotcha. i was thinking hard about this last night....is the "bar throwing" sort of like countersteering? in other words, for the right-side whip, you rotate the hips clockwise, turn the bars to the right, but push them over to the left...

wp.
 
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Exactly.. but you do almost all of the actions BEFORE your rear wheel leaves the jump face... that is the part that makes it scary.. essentially, you are throwing the bike "Out of Control" but by being ready, and having the right body position, the end result is staying lower, and scrubbing speed, which is the way I found out how to do it in the first place.. i don't have a digi cam, but I'll try to get some Pics for you if ya want..
 

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my theory was that - just like with countersteering - pushing the bars over is what produces the lean, which is what makes you go flat in a whip. sounds like that's the deal.

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Opposite of your hip rotation. To whip the bike left, you rotate hips clockwise....but you turn the bars counterclockwise. So you are actually turning the bars left for a left hand whip. Imagine oversteering a car on the snow. If you steer with the slide, you will continue to slide in that direction..if you steer the opposite direction of the slide, it will help to gain control and keep you going straight. Am, I making any sense?:confused: LOL, prolly not.
Thing is, you want to keep your front wheel heading downtrack the whole time if possible.
 
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Don't know what I was thinking when I posted that :confused: would pulling up while pushing help any?