back break in air. any help with good ways

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nickman1209 said:
im not familar with engine breaking what is it?
Engine "breaking" is when your engine turns into more pieces than it started with. :rotfl:

Engine "braking" is when the drag created by the engine acts as a brake. If you are moving fast and let off the throttle on a 2 stroke, it only slows slightly as it coasts. On a 4 stroke, the drag of an engine while coasting is much more, almost like a brake.
 
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Continually tapping the back brake is a crutch to using proper body position and technique. Squeeze with knees and push the bike down, arched back and elbows up to better control the bike upon landing. STAY OVER THE BARS!


My little guy now starts to loosen up and let the bike float under him a bit always being mindful of keeping the weight centered or forward.



Upon landing he resumes the attack position and lands with the gas on.
 
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Continually tapping the back brake is a crutch to using proper body position and technique. Squeeze with knees and push the bike down, arched back and elbows up to better control the bike upon landing. STAY OVER THE BARS!


My little guy now starts to loosen up and let the bike float under him a bit always being mindful of keeping the weight centered or forward.



Upon landing he resumes the attack position and lands with the gas on.

Nice! Kid seems talented!
 
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Another very drastic example of the effect of the rear wheel's spin on the attitude of the bike is Stewart's crash at southwick last year when his bike seized. the only reason he really crashed is because the rear wheel locked up when the engine stopped and sent him over the bars... And I would agree with GDog. Back brake is a great way to adjust your trajectory. Just look at Bubba in SX... he practically uses it off every triple, and lands nose WAY down.
 
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It looks like he is landing front wheel first,only on landings with corners! The rest of the time he is landing parallel to the landing,which is nose down in the air.
 
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Bubba's changed the style of SX mainly by riding over the front fender, not just over the bars. He doesn't brake tap as much as you think he's always way over the front fender squeezing and pushing the nose down with his knees. He's been taught by the same instructors as my son and it's a way more aggressive jumping style.
 
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Nose down in the air, yes. Landing on the front end first, NO! Except when the 70 degree landing is in a corner! If you are crooked in the air, you damn well better hope the back wheel hits first! And on the gas, until front wheel drive comes!
 
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Ok... perhaps i should reconsider my comment. the way you guys are explaining it sounds a lot better.
 

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whenfoxforks-ruled said:
Nose down in the air, yes. Landing on the front end first, NO! Except when the 70 degree landing is in a corner! If you are crooked in the air, you damn well better hope the back wheel hits first! And on the gas, until front wheel drive comes!
I have purposely landed front wheel first when kicked sideways in the air. My thinking, and it has worked for me, is that I can land with the front wheel travelling in the right direction and the rest of the bike seems to folllow it. When I land sideways on the back tire it tries (sometimes successfully) to slam the bike down on the "forward" side.
 
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High Lord Gomer said:
I have purposely landed front wheel first when kicked sideways in the air. My thinking, and it has worked for me, is that I can land with the front wheel travelling in the right direction and the rest of the bike seems to folllow it. When I land sideways on the back tire it tries (sometimes successfully) to slam the bike down on the "forward" side.
i do the same thing. i land front first just barely. then the rear wheel follows. this is only on a transition downhill like a double or table top. of i have to land on flat i land back wheel first though
 
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If you are slamming the front wheel down, guess what, that is an off throttle landing or not enough momentum to overcome gravity! All the argument aside, landing on both is the best! Who has some time to steal some slow motion stills off some pro?
 

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Not slamming the front wheel down...slamming the bike on it's side (the one that happens to be forward because I'm landing sideways).
 
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Dungey tried that move at redbud, off the ski jump! He stood on the gas and almost pulled it off, a little too much whip! What do you think would have happened if he landed on the front?
 
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I personally think that it would have improved is odds a bit (naturally he would have had the wheel pointed to where he wanted to go). Of course there is no guarantee that he could have saved it.