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I've gotten my first bike, and it's a 94 Honda CR125 that's bored out to 133. I was looking into racing next season in the beginner class, and was wondering if I could race with beginner 125, or would I have to race in a different class because of the big bore kit, because that is something i definately would not want to do.
 

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Hey Chili, hook this guy up please. :cool:
 
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He's in Canada, though. With the exchange rate, he's riding a 175...

125 Beginner around here is INSANE sometimes. I'd much rather be in 250 beginner. Slightly older, at least slightly wiser types in 250 around here. They won't let you ride up a bike class, however, around here. ie: You can't ride a 125 or a 250F in the big bike class unless it's a specific moto like Schoolboy or Big Bike Open (anything 125 and up). Those are usually very fast classes with all the A-B and age class hotshoes in them. That's how it all works around here, anyway.
 
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Yeah, Haha, I was really wondering about this. So I think I might go to the darkside next year and get my grandpa to look into getting me a CRF250 or RMZ.
 
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This is actually a question that is more suited for the track that you intend to race. Personally, I would rather get some good practice in, and start in the C class. That way you won't be racing against 20-30 people that barely know how to ride, it'll be 20-30 people with some experience. If you do run in the 250 class and feel overwhelmed, they might not let you move back down to the 125 class, this is another thing you should ask the track management about.
 
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Technically the 133 is illegal in the 125 classes. My advice race it and just keep it to yourself it's a big bore. I can't recall the last time we had a big bore protest in anything other than the 50 class :bang: At the Beginner level the only class you could legally enter on that bike is Youth B which is 16-24 years of age if your under 15 there is no legal class available in Manitoba for that bike.

If someone protests your for beating them on a 13 year old bike in the 125 Beginner class I say give them the trophy and tell them they earned it.
 
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Track management has zero to do with anything here, our local Association controls everything, the tracks simply provide a venue. If he's looking at an CRF or RMZ250 he'll still be in the 125 class. Our 125 beginner class usually has about 4 or 5 guys that don't know how to ride all that well, after that there's a group of guys who know how to ride but tend to make a lot of poor decisions and at the front of the class are the 8-10 guys who should already have moved up but need a few more trophies..
 
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Alright, I think that'd be the best decision. I'm looking to race in July or August. After taking 2 or so beginner clinics. But I'll be getting my license in July and that'll help me out alot. Thanks alot...
 
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That pretty much describes any C class around here!
 
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Solid State said:
That pretty much describes any C class around here!
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I imagine that's pretty accurate everywhere. But knowing that elliot is pretty much completely new to the racing side of the sport I didn't want him to think he was going to be on the track with 20-30 guys who barely know how to ride as described earlier.
 
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Accepting all versions of the abilities of the beginner class, and accepting the fact that there are sandbaggers in every class, would anybody argue the fact that you are less likely to be injured due to somebody else's mistake if you are in the C class instead of the beginner class? 4-5 with barely a clue plus 8-10 that make bad decisions equals 12-15 people who are more than cabable of doing something stupid. This is basically my point, especially since he is giving himself 8-9 months to practice up (although I don't know the weather patterns in Canada).

Also, even if the track management doesn't make the decisions, they are knowledgeable enough of the rules that govern them to provide knowledge, aren't they?

Chili, I am not trying to begin an argument about this, and am glad that you chimed in since you are located near the original poster and have knowledge of the area, but it seems like my post was attacked first.
 

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Chili said:
, after that there's a group of guys who know how to ride but tend to make a lot of poor decisions .
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Kind of describes my kid :bang:

I am sure he can race both 125 and 250 without being forced to stay in either it is the skill levels that you normally cannot do a higher level and then go back down

Around here the C class is the crazy class since it is our beginner and catch all level
 
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oldguy said:
I am sure he can race both 125 and 250 without being forced to stay in either it is the skill levels that you normally cannot do a higher level and then go back down
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I would expect that in most places, but it would suck to find a track that doesn't feel that way. In GA where I used to live, people would run both 125 and 250 classes on the same bike and the same night.
 
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Yeah, I won't touch a track until June 07, then i will probably try a race in late July or Early august.
FruDaddy said:
Also, even if the track management doesn't make the decisions, they are knowledgeable enough of the rules that govern them to provide knowledge, aren't they?
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I think it's the MMA (manitoba motocross association) that governs the tracks. But they don't own them. At least thats the impression I'm under, correct me if i'm wrong.
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I didn't want him to think he was going to be on the track with 20-30 guys who barely know how to ride as described earlier.
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Yeah, I hoped that wouldn't happen, and kinda had a hunch it wouldn't. It'd be boring. I love racing/playing sports with people over my skill level. Really helps me to improve.
 
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No arguement needed and I'm not sure why you feel "attacked". I simply wanted a person I knew was a complete newb to racing to get accurate information for the Province he is in.

Beginner/C is a moot point as it is the same class considering we don't have A/B/C classes. Obviously the carnage level is going to be higher in the beginner/C classes as a rule.

As far as the track owners here it's completely different, they do not promote events on their own or run series etc. We have 1 race per weekend in this Province run by the Manitoba Motocross Association. Sure some track owners may be knowledgeable of the rules since they likely have kids that race but they would certainly not be the folks I would go to looking for what class or is my bike legal advice.

Like I said I'm just trying to give Elliot accurate info not trying to attack you in anyway, I appreciate you offering him some advice.

And lastly as for our weather patterns it's likely elliot will be storing his bike within a week or two and dusting it off at the end of April.
 

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I just knew that Canada was not a US provence :laugh:

Thanks for the input I was not sure how blatant to be. I really wanted to say just go for it, bit I didn't know the local rules.
 
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Cool, I am accustomed to A, B, C and Beginner/D, although I have recently moved and don't yet know the structure here. The reality is that I don't yet race, not sure if I will, but I have been in a couple. My son does, however, race which keep me aware of what's going on.

That does suck about the weather up there though, In Georgia, I could ride all year, and the way I remember North Carolina, I will be doing the same here as well. I admit that it does get a little too hot in the summer.
 

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We northern guys can ride all year too, just with studs and on frozen lakes :nod:
 

150rguy

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How can you know if it has the big bore kit thing anyway?
 

150rguy

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oh. so you could probably get away with it sometimes?
 

150rguy

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What happens if they get caught? Just get kicked out of the race?
 
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