cr450 all hype

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Does anybody else think that this bike is going to be all hype. I see the production model doing fairly well, but who in their right mind thinks they are going to be getting the same bike Larocco isn riding. I think that a lot of people are going to be disappointed, not only in how long they waited for the bike, but what they actually get.:( I'm sorry but I think a lot of people are going to wish they had gone with a proven bike, like the yz or ktm, after they get their hands on the new crf450f. Anybody feel the same way?
 
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I don't think so.

Honda as at least as big as R&D budget as Yamaha, and they have the YZ 426 to start with. Yamaha had to build the YZ from scratch. Certainly the Euro four strokes were competition for Yamaha, but given how much more the Husky's and Husabergs were in the mid 90's, Yamaha basically had no one to compare a bike to in their targeted price range.

If no where else, Honda will probably beat Yamaha in the weight department. I am sure the YZF's are all they are cracked up to be, and that includes being a little bit overweight.

I am sure Honda's bike will perform very well.

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Originally posted by jayrome
who in their right mind thinks they are going to be getting the same bike Larocco isn riding
but does anyone think they are getting the same bike as dowd or ferry?
 
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Hmmm, somewhere had a really short review and they were basically talking about how much this thing ripped, they said its mad fast.
 

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Absolutely all hype; cuz there sure aren't any BIKES out there!
 

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Never believe a guy with a doofus on his helmet! :) And from California!
Ok, ok, good article, but could it be MORE HYPE?
Real people on real production bikes on real tracks will tell the story!
I can't wait!!!:)
 
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Hey,
Nobody will ever know until people have the bikes for a bit. I believe the bike will have it's little quirks to work through, but overall I think it will be an awesome bike with great potential. Honda definitely knows how to build a powerful and reliable 4-stroke. I'm excited not for the CRF, but for the updates it will bring to their XR line, and the changes it represents for the future. All new tech. is surrounded by, many times, unfounded hype. Everybody has their favorite 'team' and are always naysayers for the competition.

I'm a believer in Honda, and I think they will come through. Keep on thumpin'!
No matter which bike you are on.
 

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Facts in the Hype

Well, there seems to be some objective comments in all the hype:

>>>> Weighing in with no gas a full 13 pounds lighter than a '01 YZ426F <<<<
 
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Just becuase you see the word aluminum doesnt mean its going to be very light, in order to make that alloy frame strong enough to handle the high stess loads of racing its going to be a heavy gauge material. Aluminum dosent have the memory or stretch of steel so to compensate the material must be thicker. A lighter weight gauge thin walled steel frame can be used to keep the weight down and still be strong enough to handle the stress. Do you actually think that the other brands havent tried using aluminum, 4130 chromally is still the best frame material unless you race XC mountain bike's.
 

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clarify

Read your post and are wondering if you mean or think steel or a mixed composite deriving from steel is better then aluminum??

All the rave over the aluminum frame...just caught me off guard to hear someone say its inferior??

But then again I ride red
 

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I think the point being made was fairly simple: If a material is lighter, but not as strong, it will take more of that material to do the basic job of its heavier counterpart. Thus making the weight savings of the lighter material a non-issue. Also, just as with mountain bikes, each different material will have its own ride characteristics, how it feels to the rider.
I'm betting the CRF will be a great bike. It won't be THE bike for everyone, of course. But there will be a faithful following. I'm sure that all motorcycle manufacturers try to put out the best product they can within the limits of safety, reliability, liabillity and, yes, even budget constraints. They gotta make some money and keep the price reasonable.:)
AND, marketing hype is what sells products!:D
 
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I think the point being made was fairly simple: If a material is lighter, but not as strong, it will take more of that material to do the basic job of its heavier counterpart. Thus making the weight savings of the lighter material a non-issue.
the reason Honda went to the aluminum frame wasn't for weight savings, Honda has found a lot of other ways to save weight. and this year the aluminum frame (3rd generation) is suppose to be awesome, I've never heard anyone say they didn't like a Honda (2001) because of the frame and this year it is even better.
This is what that article had to say
We'll cut to the chase, right from the get-go. This bike is fast. How fast? Real fast.
While we knew the bike would be fast, we were completely surprised with the excellent handling characteristics of the new CRF450R. Ergonomically, the bike feels much like it's little two-stroke brother, the CR250R.
Weighing in with no gas a full 13 pounds lighter than a '01 YZ426F, the CRF450R is without a doubt the most nimble big-bore thumper we've ever thrown our legs over. Test riders commented that the combination of the strong motor and excellent handling traits inspired confidence right off the bat
It may have taken Honda a few years to answer the challenge issued by Yamaha's YZ426F, but in this case it was definitely worth the wait.
 
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I doubt the talk about the Honda will be ALL hype..there will be SOME hype as that is the way of the marketing world. By bet is this new Honda will be at least a match for anything out there because Honda's basic attitude towards building race bike will make it that way before they go into production. Honda is a very conservative company and will NOT go to market with an inferior race bike. Not their style. You can argue the first generation Aluminum frames were a bad move. They were different but not as bad as all the...HYPE. LaRocco was getting the same kind of results with those first and second Generation Aluminum framed CR's as he's getting now.

Look at those Kawasaki's, if you were to believe all you read about those old frames / chassis designs, they wouldn't be able to win any race much less championships! That chassis has been around for EVER!

From the look of that Honda I also bet they focused on lowering the Center of Gravity. A lower CG combined with a lower weight will give it a chance to set new handling standards that Yamaha will have to change their frame design to achieve.

:)

(Of course I've been a Honda Bigot for ever and therefore think the Yamaha's are nice but are the most oversold and hyped bike ever!
:p )
 
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