Fonseca's Got a Rubber Leg

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Okay, so how many of you watched the Las Vegas SX 125 race?

Ernie fell over and stalled the bike near the final lap, and spent the rest of the race kicking the poor 250F like a two stroke. Needless to say, he went from first to 8th.

Why can't anyone teach this guy the hot start procedure? I mean, I know it's the heat of battle and everything, and it's hard to take an extra tenth of a second to do it right, but jeeze, after having this happen time after time this year, you think he'd figure it out!

If you were the team manager, would you put him back on a two stroke, and get someone else to run the 250F in the outdoor races? I'd at least make him hot-start the bike 20 times a day in practice. Make him realize how much faster it is if you do it right.

Whaddaya think?
 
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Ernesto should've never "choked":D in the first place. He had Pastrana beat! He did take a pretty mean fall and on any bike he would've never made it back to top three. I agree, though, that he took a while to start up again. I was there and had a bet with a Pastrana fan (whoever came ahead of the other).
 
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Erny Choked

He choked when he saw Ramsey big time . but WHOOOO cares he won the east two times can we ??;)
 
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I don't know-this seems to be a flaw in the Yamaha's if you ask me. My buddy's got the 250f and he knows the whole drill for hot-starting it, yet when he was at REM for the Saturday race and tipped it over, he tried everything to start that thing for about 10 minutes before finally giving up! I've ridden it too and it just doesn't seem consistant as far as what you should do. Sometimes you need to use the hot-start and other times you don't :scream: Not having a automatic decompression lever is a big mistake by Yamaha.....
 
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I never have a problem

I was one of those people who couldn't start my 250F when I first got it but now I have NO Problem starting it. Hot, Cold, after stalling or dropping it... no problem. I've never cased it really hard or had a "terrible" crash with it but I've certainly dropped it and stalled it, crashed it into trees and stalled it, bogged it down in mud and water, and have never had a problem re-starting it.

To be honest, I rarely use the Compression Release after it warms up. I weigh 200 lbs and am 5'11"... maybe that helps but really my bike is a joy to start.

I just count my blessings.
 
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i don't think his bike is the same as a normal 250F, Being a works bike and a super engine the thing is probably alot harder to start than a stock 250F. When you crank major horse power out of engines they become unpredictable. Maybe they should make him ride a stock one like they did in japan, hehe. Either that or teach him to keep it right side up.

-Brent
 
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Yamaha four-strokes are simply not hard to start. You just can't get in a big hurry and you have to follow the procedure, which isn't that precise. The problem is guys hurrying and stabbing at them like 125cc two-strokes. If you do that, they'll never run. But if you take your time and kick it properly, it's a one-kick procedure. I grew up riding thumpers and I don't have trouble starting any of them. As far as Ernie being too small to start the 250F, that's nonsense. Any woman or young kid can start a 250F if they do it right. It's like swinging a golf club, it's not a matter of size or brute strength, it's all about technique and procedure.

I agree with the previous post that suggested that Ernie return to a two-stroke. When I was a kid, we used to have a little rule for riding...if you can't start the motorcycle, you can't ride it. He obviously can't start the 250F and is too bullheaded to learn how in a race situation, so he doesn't belong on that motorcycle. I realize his machine no doubt has higher compression and less flywheel inertia than a stocker, but it shouldn't be that difficult to start. It does make for good entertainment and giggles though to watch a rider of his talent and caliber kicking his guts out and not getting anywhere. Nothing against Fonseca, I think he's a super talented rider and he does things on a motorcycle that most of us can only dream of, but I can't help but giggle when I watch him trying to start his thumper.
 
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Another thing I noticed about Ernie and that YZF at Anaheim 3 was that he was constantly banging off the rev limiter and THEN he would shift. I was watching him ride, listening to the bike, and mumbling "Shift Ernie, Shift!" But, heat of the battle and all that. I guess he must of gotten the hang of it later on... huh?
 
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Originally posted by cp380sx
Yep, plus Ernie is a midget. That doesn't make it any easier for him.

Cameron
Hey, wait, he's about 3 or 4 inches taller than me??? Boy, do I feel short!

But I can start a YZF & WR on the second kick! ;)

I didn't know whether to feel sorry for the guy or go throw dirt on him. That has to be frustrating for his mechanic!

BTW, the more mods we've done to the YZF, the easier it is to start - cam changes, lighter flywheel, ignition timing, etc.

Of course, I'm not trying to start the thing with 6 laps to go in a stadium filled with 30,000 fans, with more watching on pay-per-view....I guess it's hard to say what's going through his mind (except, "start you !@#$!!!! bike!).
 
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DualSportr, My dad lives in Bend. I love that area. Do you ride out at the dunes very often?

Cameron
 
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<<DualSportr, My dad lives in Bend. I love that area. Do you ride out at the dunes very often? >>

Yes, we ride the dunes all the time. It's simply the best! We also hit Glamis & Dumont once a year -- I still can't decide which I like best.

Does your dad live in Bend, or North Bend? North Bend is on the coast by the dunes, and is actually about 6 hours from Bend, which is in Central Oregon. Leave it to the ornery grumps who settled this area to name places 300 miles apart the same thing!
 
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My dad is near you in Bend. I fly in to Redmond when I visit him. He is pretty close to the road to Mt. Bachelor, up in the hills.

Cameron