Jackpine Results

Fred T · Aug 22, 2005

1 Lafferty 30 1003
2 Scott Luca 34 1320
3 Edmonson 35 1230
4 Bobbit 35 1273
5 Stavish 36 1228
6 Russel 36 1265
7 Bersano 37 1281
8 M. Keen 37 1286
9 Hatch 39 1374
10 Sharphorn 39 1404

PoeBrian · Aug 22, 2005

Fred T.,
Does the club or anyone have a download you could post that shows all the results of all the classes? Sandstormers had a program you could download to see all the Loose Moose results so just wondered if the LMC did!!! It looked like the Pine cone results were posted on spreadsheets. This also made me wonder is LMC might do the same for Jack Pine.

Thanks,

Brian

fatherandson · Aug 23, 2005

No spreadsheets available at this time.

FlyinRyan · Aug 25, 2005

I have the results for both the national and the Pine Cone enduro posted on my site www.midwestenduros.com on the results page

The National results are at http://www.midwestenduros.com/RaceResults/Jackpine05.pdf

Sounds like I missed a great race, although I went to a great enduro in Iowa and had fun. Maybe next year they won't be on top of each other.

bbarel · Aug 26, 2005

Congrats to Paul Borden, Cody & DeWayne Dusendang, and Bill Smith for 1st place finishes in your classes! Cody is listed with some pretty impressive company up in HI- POINT section!

fatherandson · Aug 26, 2005

Ryan, congrats on your overall win in Iowa! We did miss you at Jack Pine.
Thanks for posting the results.

KTM Mike · Aug 26, 2005

Ryan

Thanks for posting that. You sure do manage to get the results up quickly!

It seems the Pinecone results you posted are missing the 15 yr olds, 126 and up? They split out the 15 yr olds for this event, rather than include them with the 12 to 14 yr olds 126 and up like was done in the spring and Mini Moose. I only noticed becuase i did not see Ian Fowler's results there.

fatherandson · Aug 27, 2005

I was sharing this information with Leroy and thought maybe others who had ridden Jack Pine would like to compare their scores with the top 10:

Lafferty-6:15/2/7/0/X/0/2:31/0/4/8:07/ 0/1:50 = 30:1003
Luca - 6:52/0/8/0/X/0/2:54/0/5/11:47/0/2:27 = 34:1320
Edmonds-7:03/0/8/0/X/0/3:08/0/5/10:02/0/2:16 = 35:1230
Bobbitt - 6:34/0/8/1/X/0/3:35/0/5/10:41/0/2:19 = 35:1273
Stavish - 6:37/0/9/1/X/0/3:21/0/5/10;22/0/2:08 = 36:1228
Russell - 6:55/0/9/1/X/0/3:04/0/5/10:41/0/2:25 =36:1265
Bersano- 7:01/0/9/1/X/0/3:34/0/5/10:55/0/2:01 = 37:1281
Keen - 6:43/0/9/1/X/0/3:17/0/5/11:04/0/2:22 = 37:1286
Hatch - 7:42/0/9/1/X/1/3:48/0/5/11:23/0/2:01 = 39:1374
Scharph-7:41/0/10/1/X0/3:34/0/5/11:31/0/2:38 = 39:1404

Every second matters to the guys riding at this level. How fast is Laffery? He won by 4 points and hit check #2 a minute (or a couple of seconds) early. Check out the scores at check # 10 = difference maker. Also, Lafferty was on #26 and arrived at check #10 at 34:07. Hatch on #23 arrived at the same check at 34:23...not only did Junior catch his closest competitor in the points standings, but he put another 16 seconds on him. Game over!

bbarel · Aug 27, 2005

Poor Bersano dropped 2 minutes 1 second late both times. I dropped a minute 2 seconds late and it cost me 1 place, maybe 2 (would have been a tiebreaker). Every second counts! I rode minute 30 with Matt Stavish (#3 in standings) and that was a cool experience. He was a nice guy and we chatted a few times. I saw him razz'n Lafferty for burning that check. Young Cody on our minute was riding a little hot and Matt was asking me how does he know there's no check?

CW200 · Aug 27, 2005

Yep i was riding 5-10 seconds hot on the two track and 0-5 seconds late in the woods. It work out great for me. I guess some people prefer to do different.

TCTrailrider · Aug 27, 2005

Local boy, Luca was right there until check 10. Working for a living instead of racing. Late race conditioning is a big factor.

bbarel · Aug 27, 2005

CW200 said:
Yep i was riding 5-10 seconds hot on the two track and 0-5 seconds late in the woods. It work out great for me. I guess some people prefer to do different.

It sure did. You ran a perfect race (except maybe that little hangup you had in the mud in the first section hehe). I was actually surprised at how conservative Matt was, and I'm still a little gun shy after burning a check at Kalkaska by 8 seconds when my puter said I was about 20 seconds late!

FlyinRyan · Aug 28, 2005

Thanks Mike, I had a good fun ride in Iowa and it worked out.

KTM Mike, I'm not sure about the Pine Cone results. I got the results from a club member and assume they are correct. I've been lucky getting the results from everyone so I can post them. It's working out better then I thought, mainly due to good people like Mike (fatherandson) along with others. The only series that is hard is the Iowa series, for some reason the clubs haven't gotten them to me. or takes a long time to get them.

KTM Mike · Aug 28, 2005

FlyinRyan said:
KTM Mike, I'm not sure about the Pine Cone results. I got the results from a club member and assume they are correct. I've been lucky getting the results from everyone so I can post them. It's working out better then I thought, mainly due to good people like Mike (fatherandson) along with others. The only series that is hard is the Iowa series, for some reason the clubs haven't gotten them to me. or takes a long time to get them.

Ryan - no problem - I may have simple messed up reading them for all i know! It sure is fantastic that you manage to get these results posted so fast - sure wish D-14 would manage to do likewise! Keep up the great work. :cool:

Man - I can only dream about scores like what F&S posted for the AA/A guys - but thats OK...thats why there is a C class right? :ahhh:

PoeBrian · Aug 28, 2005

Fatherandson,
Is it possible to be able to see any or all of the other classes points sheets like you have for the pro's? If so how or what do I need to do? Who would I contact to get them?

Thanks

fatherandson · Aug 29, 2005

Sorry, our system is not automated like the Loose Moose. The work on the top 10 was done manually.

Fred T · Aug 29, 2005

fatherandson said:
Sorry, our system is not automated like the Loose Moose. The work on the top 10 was done manually.

Late evening after the Jackpine in the clubhouse with beer and Bloody Mary's. We ran out and quit.

Smit-Dog · Sep 2, 2005

fatherandson said:
Sorry, our system is not automated like the Loose Moose. The work on the top 10 was done manually.

What do the Sandstormers use to help "automate" scoring. Purchased software? Homegrown?

I'd be interested in helping design/develop a enduro scoring application. PDF reports could also be generated from the application to quickly post results, produce breakdown by check, etc.

I'd be surprised if software like this does not already exist... it's always cheaper to buy vs build if this has already been done. My time is free but limited.

woodsracer369 · Sep 2, 2005

Smit dog,
I've thought about this before, couldn't you (anyone) build an excel spreadsheet with formulas? Seems to me pretty easy, but I admit I don't know. I will be working an Enduro next year. Seems only right as I have enjoyed taking advantage of racing them this year. I'm sure it will be a revelation to know exactly how much work is done to pull it off. I know what I think it takes (a lot!!) and expect that even my preconcieved notion probably falls short.

Smit-Dog · Sep 2, 2005

Maybe some enduro organizers can chime in here on what's already available software-wise, what's good/bad about them, etc., assuming they've already researched this.

Magoo · Sep 2, 2005

I've done a lot of work and done a lot of research regarding enduro scoring programs. We even had a member (who builds programs for a living) build a scoring program for us. Its not as easy as you'd think -- LOTS of exceptions in enduro scoring. Excel isn't powerful enough to handle it. We used Access, which seemed to work pretty well, but calculating events was slow (I know, it's all in how you write it...).
The market is, unfortunately, very limited for enduro scoring programs. A lot of work + limited market = no profit.
We are fortunate to be a beta user for a new scoring program that is being developed. It is a really good program, with many features, and is quick and reliable. It's being developed by a respected enduro rider who is building it as a labor of love. He knows he'll never pay the bills with it. It still needs some tweaks, but it might even be available to the general public as soon as next spring.

FlyinRyan · Sep 2, 2005

There's a couple out for enduros that I have found, I'll try to find the links on my home PC and post them. I know the BJEC has a great system but it was written by one of the members and it's not typically for sale, although the guy that wrote it has offered to sell it to others on different forum boards (I can't remember his name). I've looked into for the D17 series but the problem is always money, and the fact that one person would have to take it to each and set it up and help each club make sure data gets inputed correctly.

I'll get the links and post them, one has a demo that you can download and try it out too.

BadgerMan · Sep 2, 2005

KTM Mike said:
Ryan - no problem - I may have simple messed up reading them for all i know! It sure is fantastic that you manage to get these results posted so fast - sure wish D-14 would manage to do likewise! Keep up the great work. :cool:

Nope, you did not mess up. Ian is not included anywhere in the results as I did a ctrl F of the entire file. What's up with that? I could have sworn he rode that event, LOL! If they pulled the 15 year olds out of the class, how will that affect the point standings?

KTM Mike · Sep 2, 2005

BadgerMan said:
If they pulled the 15 year olds out of the class, how will that affect the point standings?

Uh...I think it would leave Mark in 1st place! :nener: Actually, I think Mark would end up with the same standing or darn close regardless of if it is 12 to 15 yr olds, or 12 to 14, then 15 yr olds separate. Either way is fine with me. Good chance that would be the case with Ian as well.

I am sure it is just an oversight that Ian's (15yrs old) class is not listed. I am assuming that the series point standings would "re-combine" the 15 yr olds with the 12,13,14 yr olds (126+cc). Not sure why they split them out at the Pinecone though. I guess they could decide to score the series like they did the Pinecone.

BTW - what place did Ian get anyhow? Wasnt it first or second? When scores were posted, I looked at how things would shake out if the classes were recombined. I think recombined (Pinecone only) Mark would of ended up in 3rd with 11 points dropped. I think Ian and some other kid was 1st and second, with who ever was second having dropped like 8 points.

BadgerMan · Sep 2, 2005

Mike,

Ian had a score of 8 at the Pinecone and ended up in second place. Yeh, it seems like they should re-combine the classes since they were one class for the other two events.

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