Dirtman500
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- Jan 8, 2004
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Closed! Dead End! Our Sport is growing at a rapid rate and the laws just are against us! I have been looking at 700acres in Western Pa. and we attempted to make a purchase deal but the landowner has hopes for a landfill! Leasing the property from him gets involved and he is worried about the lawsuit issues. I see other parks doing fine but most of these parks are operator/owner parks which reduces the legal issues greatly. I haven't found 1 organization willing to help us! Every direction we head in is a deadend! We continue to press-on. Our park would bring in 1000's of riders weekly!
Create a few jobs and do positive things with spoiled land! No help! Just a thought..
What about ski lodges? How much different are they from OHV Parks??? My question is how did Troy&Lisa Myers Owners/Operator of THE BADLANDS OHV PARK in Attica, Indiana do it??? Hey isn't this the USA the land of the free?
I make a choice to ride and engage in a high risk sport... I get injured or even killed at your park I signed a wavier...... The law says "We never sign our rights away" In the case it was MY NEGLECT that I was injured or worse killed. I'm an adult and I was aware and informed of all the risks and hazards involved! At this point perhaps the law needs reviewed! I haven't found any insurance coverage for a 7 day OHV park operation yet! NOHVIS is currently working on comming up with type of insurance.
Some Comments: This liability thing has got to be addressed. I often wonder if a landowner would do a restrictive sale or transfer of land for $1.00 so that his name is not on the property. If at some point in the future, he may choose to sell it to you or take it back. You would be restricted from selling it to anyone but him or his heirs. While you are in stewardship of the property, all taxes and liabilities fall to you plus you may have to agree to some kind of "royalties." Just an idea.
There is a rumor that at least part of the so called Game Commision land turnover in Hillsville is a scam. As ever, concrete facts concerning Hillsville are hard to come by.
The Truth.... PA Game Commision only owns 75 acres and none of the land is part of the popular riding area! The landowner is just protecting himself knowing how well rumors travel! SOURCE: The Owner Himself!
I got to ride at Hillsville before they closed it. WOW, that was a blast. The Superbowl was un-believeable.....none of the old strip mines dad and I use to ride even compare to this. It was a blast to ride there.
I live 10 minutes from Hillsville. There are guys riding there. I do not believe that it is "open", however. That may sound confusing. Some landowners have given people permission to ride, but these people do not park there, it is generally locals.
I think that they wish to avoid the past, i.e., hundreds of riders, giant parties, burned cars, life flights once a week, etc. AFAIK, parking there is still illegal.
Frankly, I think getting permission from the owners is the only way to fly. They may choose to crackdown at any time, especially if things get anywhere near like they were. Big fines and bike confiscation are not my idea of a fun ride.
*** Owner Permission*** Out of the Question! Source: The Owner Himself... "But he turns his head to locals"!
The only answer to this place being a success story is to operate Hillsville Riding Area under a tightly managed OHV Park!
Now after I spoke to the owner twice in the last year with my partner and also seeked legal counsel on the issue we need to construct a plan/deal to make this dream come true! The bottom line is a deal the owner can't refuse! From what we have learned from our meetings he may be willing to deal if we care ERASE HIM FROM LEGAL TRAIL 100% And I mean 100%!
Now any ideas???
Create a few jobs and do positive things with spoiled land! No help! Just a thought..
What about ski lodges? How much different are they from OHV Parks??? My question is how did Troy&Lisa Myers Owners/Operator of THE BADLANDS OHV PARK in Attica, Indiana do it??? Hey isn't this the USA the land of the free?
I make a choice to ride and engage in a high risk sport... I get injured or even killed at your park I signed a wavier...... The law says "We never sign our rights away" In the case it was MY NEGLECT that I was injured or worse killed. I'm an adult and I was aware and informed of all the risks and hazards involved! At this point perhaps the law needs reviewed! I haven't found any insurance coverage for a 7 day OHV park operation yet! NOHVIS is currently working on comming up with type of insurance.
Some Comments: This liability thing has got to be addressed. I often wonder if a landowner would do a restrictive sale or transfer of land for $1.00 so that his name is not on the property. If at some point in the future, he may choose to sell it to you or take it back. You would be restricted from selling it to anyone but him or his heirs. While you are in stewardship of the property, all taxes and liabilities fall to you plus you may have to agree to some kind of "royalties." Just an idea.
There is a rumor that at least part of the so called Game Commision land turnover in Hillsville is a scam. As ever, concrete facts concerning Hillsville are hard to come by.
The Truth.... PA Game Commision only owns 75 acres and none of the land is part of the popular riding area! The landowner is just protecting himself knowing how well rumors travel! SOURCE: The Owner Himself!
I got to ride at Hillsville before they closed it. WOW, that was a blast. The Superbowl was un-believeable.....none of the old strip mines dad and I use to ride even compare to this. It was a blast to ride there.
I live 10 minutes from Hillsville. There are guys riding there. I do not believe that it is "open", however. That may sound confusing. Some landowners have given people permission to ride, but these people do not park there, it is generally locals.
I think that they wish to avoid the past, i.e., hundreds of riders, giant parties, burned cars, life flights once a week, etc. AFAIK, parking there is still illegal.
Frankly, I think getting permission from the owners is the only way to fly. They may choose to crackdown at any time, especially if things get anywhere near like they were. Big fines and bike confiscation are not my idea of a fun ride.
*** Owner Permission*** Out of the Question! Source: The Owner Himself... "But he turns his head to locals"!
The only answer to this place being a success story is to operate Hillsville Riding Area under a tightly managed OHV Park!
Now after I spoke to the owner twice in the last year with my partner and also seeked legal counsel on the issue we need to construct a plan/deal to make this dream come true! The bottom line is a deal the owner can't refuse! From what we have learned from our meetings he may be willing to deal if we care ERASE HIM FROM LEGAL TRAIL 100% And I mean 100%!
Now any ideas???