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I'm an out guy (43) and still have not learn how to control the flight of my 01 KDX 200. I know that I should hit the rear brake to bring the front end down, but I can not seem to keep my big foot on the brake pedal. NAy suggestions?
 
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It's extremely rare to have to use the rear brake in the air when jumping normally (only for certain kinds of jumps that have a shallow lip and require full throttle at takeoff to clear). I suggest you hone your takeoff skills.

I have practised rear braking in the air for those panic moments when it goes wrong, and take my foot off the peg(just a tiny bit) and push on the brake. Better practise this doing wheelies or just both wheels on the ground first.
 
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Its not that hard

start small and try it on jumps that do not need it (till you get use to it)

Just hit a jump/pull the clutch and try to tap the rear brake then repete, just like tieing your shoe at one time you had to think about what you were doing then it got to the point where you can look across the room and do it.

If you are one of those that cannot chew gum and walk at the same time, you will have a problem with this.
 

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When I do tap the brake (rarely...it is much better to put the bike into the air properly than to have to correct it once airborn), I take my foot off the peg and make an exaggerated movement of moving my foot forward and stomping on the brake pedal.

If you actually rode with your foot hovering over the pedal, you'd be fairly likely to hit it by accident when bouncing around.
 

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Sounds like some of you could use a bit of adjustment on your setup! If you have to make an awkward movement taking your foot all the way off the peg to hit the brake, how is this any different when coming into a turn, etc.? You should be able to just pivot your ankle and tap the brake. Is the pedal adjusted too far down? Maybe your boots are stiffer than usual.

I think being able to use the rear brake in the air is mandatory for a rider to more "to the next level" of being able to jump safely. I have seen numerous riders at our local track try the 60+ foot tabletop, only to "fall off the back of the bike" by the time they land. Correct, proper take off technique will solve this problem most of the time, but to safely do medium and larger jumps, having the ability to use the rear brake is mandatory.

It's actually harder to practice this on smaller jumps, because there isn't much time to pull in the clutch, hit the brake, release the clutch, and land. This creates a sort of a catch-22 as far as learning the skill.
 
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I agree with Motometal. When I tried to learn the brake technique, my pedal was adjusted too far down so I had to move it up a little. The best jumps to learn this techinque are table tops, IMO, because you don't risk going nose first into a double!!! The table top I used to get better was about 45-50 feet and it gave you just enough time to think first and then hit the brake.
 

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I don't "have to make an awkward movement", I said an "exaggerated movement". I do this for two reasons:

1. It seems to drop the front better by actually stomping on the brake rather than merely tapping it.
2. With me feet on the pegs, pivoting my ankle and pressing the rear brake does not give me a definite feel of when I have locked up the rear wheel (in the air) the way that stomping on it does. I would probably be more likely to push the bike away from me because I didn't feel when the brake pedal stopped moving and the bike started moving away from me.

Remember, this is just an old C rider's approach. This might be one of the many reasons I haven't gotten "to the next level". :(
 
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didn't mean to put down your technique, just trying to help :cool:

If you have the ability to pull in the clutch, lock the rear wheel, let the clutch out and gas it at the last split second before you land, you are way ahead of many other "C" riders!
 
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I've been watched the A's jumping over here for the last few weeks because I really need to work on my jumping and I noticed the following...
They almost always press the brake pedal in the air. Could this be to make up for the fact that they invariably hit jumps at top speed, flat out.
Most of them lift their foot off the peg and stab the pedal in an exaggerated way like Gomer said. I agree this is probably to make sure the brake actually locks up and doesn't just drag...
I have been trying to practice this recently and found it is difficult to remember to pull in the clutch, press the pedal, let out clutch, rev etc etc. when I would usually be quite rigid in the air. I started by just pulling in the clutch and letting it out in the air to practice, then move on to using the pedal...
As was siad already I'm sure prevention in better then cure, but for those times when things go wrong it is worth practicing...
 

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Wow! A reply after 7 months! Motometal, you *really* are slow! :scream:

(For those of you that didn't get to see him ride, it's a joke)

BTW, what is all that stuff in your sig? The only thing I recognized was the beer. :confused:
 

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Yeah, dangit, I been wondering that too, I think some of it is guitar effects, I got the beer and the salt, but the rest is beyond me.
 
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I ride with the balls of my feet on the pegs, when I have to hit the brake to bring the front end down, I have to move my foot. Instead, when in the air I keep both feet floating above the pegs. This gives me quick access to the brake pedal and the shifter. So in midair I can downshift if there is a corner after the jump, and/or bring the front end down
 
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I actually use my front brake. Its way easier than pulling in the clutch and doing all of that stuff. It works just as well. Just make sure you arent crossed up... if the front wheel is sideways (like you are turning the bars) it will skew your front end out a little.

I avoid using the brake by going wfo into a jump, letting off while I'm on the face, then blipping the gas right before liftoff. Sometimes the front end comes down in the air, like you are nosediving, but a blip pf the throttle fixes that in no time
 

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motometal is head banging for his redneck neighbors :)

I find that not only does a lil brake tap get me positioned nicely on most sx type landings but it helps me get a bit more distance. Comming up just a tad short can be saved by tapping, the rear may get over the hump instead of hard into it. (shrug) course...I have done the 'tap the front wheel into it trick' before! At that point I just pretend I'm doing a rodeo performance and hope I score high.
 
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#15
I think the front brake is definately a bad idea. The idea of coming down on a stopped front tire and feeling it skid back up to speed is not very comforting. I don't think too many riders will recommend this.