REDBUD security guards
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Super Power AssClown
- Nov 9, 1999
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I have worked security at the Redbud National and could not disagree more. Maybe pepper spray is a bit extreme, maybe not but the fact of the matter is that totally out of control (burning cars, blowing up outhouses etc. etc. etc.) fans are what is ruining the curcuit. Everybody seems to be trying to be a little more extreme than the person beside them. :( :(
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KWJ,
True to a point, but when security takes drastic steps, i.e. using pepper spray. Mob rules come in to play. A few people out of control, burning and blowing up things, turns in to 5, then 10, the 20, etc. Of course we don't have all the information on what really happened. How come the trouble makers where not removed from the park? Using pepper spray should be a last line of defense. Not the first action to be used, if this is what happened.
When are promoters going to get a grip on security at races? Can't they see this as a growing problem? Hell, a few years ago living in IL we attended the Peoria TT. I was uneasy attending this race, wasn't sure how the crowd would be. It was a better crowd then I saw at Redbud, or many SX that I have attended.
True to a point, but when security takes drastic steps, i.e. using pepper spray. Mob rules come in to play. A few people out of control, burning and blowing up things, turns in to 5, then 10, the 20, etc. Of course we don't have all the information on what really happened. How come the trouble makers where not removed from the park? Using pepper spray should be a last line of defense. Not the first action to be used, if this is what happened.
When are promoters going to get a grip on security at races? Can't they see this as a growing problem? Hell, a few years ago living in IL we attended the Peoria TT. I was uneasy attending this race, wasn't sure how the crowd would be. It was a better crowd then I saw at Redbud, or many SX that I have attended.
KWJams
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- Sep 22, 2000
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You could be right Sawblade--
my limited experience with crowd control was some training in the 70's where we formed a wedge with bayonets and gas masks and did this weird stomp-slide step while pushing through crowds. :eek:
Sawblade said;
When they outlaw booze at all venues!
my limited experience with crowd control was some training in the 70's where we formed a wedge with bayonets and gas masks and did this weird stomp-slide step while pushing through crowds. :eek:
Sawblade said;
When they outlaw booze at all venues!
oldguy
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- Dec 26, 1999
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This year due to road construction making the run to hotels over an hour we decided to camp at Millville. My wife was expecting the worst case scenario from talking to people that had camped at other races. The first thing that happened when we arrived was the security (real deputies:) ) asked if we were aware no beer or alcohol was allowed. When we said yes they asked to check our coolers and when my wife went to pull them out they said not to worry and have a good time. This was in contrast to the truck load right next to us that had their coolers empty on the road and the beer being removed. Yes this was a case of profiling- a mid 40's couple with 2 kids being respectfull and a truck carrying 5 early 20's guys being loud and obnoxious- but in the real world it works.
Saturday night the grounds were very quiet-so much so our 2 kids were asleep by 10 and slept thru the fireworks show. I spent alot of time walking around and was pleased to see mounted deputies patrolling and managing to not see the quiet groups around campfires enjoying a beer in civilized manners. Sunday at the races was also in complete contrast to our views at other nationals where drunkeness made it miserable to watch in certain areas.
As long as the crowd can act civilized the security force will react in same. This is from someone who is definately not a tea totaler and doesn't expect fans at any event to sit with hands folded on laps watching.
Saturday night the grounds were very quiet-so much so our 2 kids were asleep by 10 and slept thru the fireworks show. I spent alot of time walking around and was pleased to see mounted deputies patrolling and managing to not see the quiet groups around campfires enjoying a beer in civilized manners. Sunday at the races was also in complete contrast to our views at other nationals where drunkeness made it miserable to watch in certain areas.
As long as the crowd can act civilized the security force will react in same. This is from someone who is definately not a tea totaler and doesn't expect fans at any event to sit with hands folded on laps watching.
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- Sep 22, 2000
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I'll drink to that--
at Billings they sell at least a semi load of beer at their beer garden.
Not counting the coolers brought in you can only imagine the traffic to the porta-potties :eek:
Sunday night after awards---for the riders they brought out a pick up truck with the bed full of iced down cold ones :)
Trust me, it was officially Miller's time.
I do not want to see adult beverages banned -- but I do want to be able to enjoy an event without a bunch of clowns ruining it for everyone else.
Pepper spray may be considered extreme---but it's not my butt in front of a bunch of pumped up clowns feeling invincible on Wolf Juice.
I'd spray first --- apologize second.
at Billings they sell at least a semi load of beer at their beer garden.
Not counting the coolers brought in you can only imagine the traffic to the porta-potties :eek:
Sunday night after awards---for the riders they brought out a pick up truck with the bed full of iced down cold ones :)
Trust me, it was officially Miller's time.
I do not want to see adult beverages banned -- but I do want to be able to enjoy an event without a bunch of clowns ruining it for everyone else.
Pepper spray may be considered extreme---but it's not my butt in front of a bunch of pumped up clowns feeling invincible on Wolf Juice.
I'd spray first --- apologize second.
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The other night on TV I saw a show about spring break riots. One town had some trouble one year so the next they doubled the police and security and the trouble tripled!!! The next year after that they again increased police and security, but all except a very few were undercover. There was little trouble and most was handled one on one by the undercover agents with hardly anyone noticing. Without uniforms to rebel against the mob didn't have anyone to direct a riot at.
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I think the answer might be for race promoters to use actual law enforcement officers. Rented security officers tend to get little respect and they do not have the experience to read and dissipate hostile situations. Plus, if some thing were to happen, the law enforcement officers have greater authority and ability. My experience with races at Hangtown is that they have been well controlled. They have law enforcement strategically ringing the event and they are unobtrusive, yet visible. Outside of an occasional one on one fight, I have never seen mob mayhem. It could also be that it is usually too hot to move, let alone expend energy on destroying things.
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I, too, have nothing against tossing back a few (and I've been known to walk on my lips once in a great while :eek: ), but I also agree that this is fast becoming more of a family oriented sport, and pushing toward the mainstream. If that means I can't have a beer at the local track, fine. I'll just knock back some Gatorade! (better for you in the heat anyway)
Some people need to learn that it doesn't take a couple gallons of adult beverage to have fun . . .:silly:
Some people need to learn that it doesn't take a couple gallons of adult beverage to have fun . . .:silly:
Wolf
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Part of the problem (IMO) is the way it has been promoted in the past.
Pace Motor Sports marketed it right along side with Monster trucks in a somewhat wrestling like manner. I can still hear the commercials ".....the biggest crashes! Sick air!"
It seemed (to me anyways) that their goal was to attract not necessarily the race fan but the sensation hungry drunk. Obviously money talks. There are definitely more of the afore mentioned drunks than race fans.
Now that MX, Supercross and Freestyle have gone main stream and gain popularity, I am curious to see how this will play out in the marketing strategies of promotors and sponsors.
Pace Motor Sports marketed it right along side with Monster trucks in a somewhat wrestling like manner. I can still hear the commercials ".....the biggest crashes! Sick air!"
It seemed (to me anyways) that their goal was to attract not necessarily the race fan but the sensation hungry drunk. Obviously money talks. There are definitely more of the afore mentioned drunks than race fans.
Now that MX, Supercross and Freestyle have gone main stream and gain popularity, I am curious to see how this will play out in the marketing strategies of promotors and sponsors.
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Over the years I've seen some pretty wild things going down at the Nationals. Back in the 80's at Washougal it was difficult to find a sober spectator. We always read about places like Unadilla and Redbud where everyone was out of control. I attended Redbud in '99 and '00 and even though there were a few party groups and passed out spectators it wasn't nearly like the old Washougal. This past summer I went to Unadilla and was literally amazed at how mellow the crowd was. I did witness security escorting an unruly fan out of the gate. It's definitely becoming more of a family atmosphere, but there are still those who find they must consume an entire brewery to enjoy a National. Definitely not like Europe where people show up, lay out a blanket, enjoy cheese, crackers and wine while ringing cowbells and rooting for their favorite rider.
- Aug 2, 2000
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Sissies!;)
Cheese and wine, that just don't sound like motocross to me!
Hot dog and a coke, maybe . . . :think
I've been to Red Bud several times.. camped, stayed in hotels.. without a doubt the animals that burn, bomb and pillage are ruining the experiences. I've been going to the Peoria TTs since the mid 70s. Yes, the Hells Angels used to be there in full force, now it is dad, mom and the kids enjoying the sport of motorcycling.
Peoria hires the county police officers to handle crowd control, from what I seen Red Bud uses volunteers and weekend warriors. Definitely a difference. Nothing against the Red Bud personnel, they are doing the best they can with a volatile situation, but it isn't enough.
Peoria hires the county police officers to handle crowd control, from what I seen Red Bud uses volunteers and weekend warriors. Definitely a difference. Nothing against the Red Bud personnel, they are doing the best they can with a volatile situation, but it isn't enough.
HiG4s
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When I was out in Calif, a few years back, at a concert the non-police security at the stadium seemed to handle people pretty well. But then It seems at this event the promoters hired players from the local semi-pro team, mostly linemen, as security. Having eveyone in security shirts being 6'6" 280lbs or larger, tends to be a bit intimidating.
