Agreed Rich. I think the four strokes are probably easier to ride for most people, personally I find them very boring. I much prefer the thrill of riding two strokes. Different strokes(literally) for different folks I guess. Of course, as I said before, I'm a dyed in the wool two stroke guy from way back. I was talking more from a racing standpoint. What I really meant was that I don't see the 250F as being at a real disadvantage for beginners and novices, since the ease of riding equals out the lack of performance. But I believe more experienced riders should certainly do better with a 250 two stroke, it's hard to argue with an extra 10-15 HP if the rider is capable of using it. Beginners and novices probably can't take advantage of the extra performance, but better riders should be able to control and make good use of that extra power.Rich Rohrich said:The reason I think most people who don't care about AMA racing will choose a 250F or a 450F has to do with them being for most people, easier to ride. I think that holds true for a large segment of riders, not just novices. For me and for a lot of people they are just more fun to ride.
I stand corrected.Rich Rohrich said:I don't think the bike ridden by some guy in an SX race has much if any impact on real world sales. If it did, CRF250s & 450s would not be the perennial best sellers. Frankly, I'm surprised the OEMs put so much money in SX & MX racing. Suzuki spent a fortune and Ricky won a lot of races on an RMZ450, but people still ran to their Honda dealer and bought CRF450s in droves.
Dang, and here I thought I was finally going to be able to use my B.S. in BS. Guess I wasted all that money on college.j/k :laugh:Rich Rohrich said:...the misinformation and BS routinely shoveled by Luddites and ill-informed two-strokes zealots is laughable. I've done enough work with both two-strokes and four to be able to separate the truth from the moronic BS, and the BS is rampant.
CJG said:But I believe more experienced riders should certainly do better with a 250 two stroke, it's hard to argue with an extra 10-15 HP if the rider is capable of using it. Beginners and novices probably can't take advantage of the extra performance, but better riders should be able to control and make good use of that extra power.
I hope so too. Thanks for your time. :cool:Rich Rohrich said:Hopefully the OEMs will sell enough bikes to make continuing development on two-strokes a viable option.
CJG said:In the '04 TWMX review of the Service Honda CR500AF SE, the test riders were 1 to 3 seconds a lap faster on the 500AF than they were on a "modded CRF450". If I had eleven grand to spend I'd order a KX500AF tomorrow. :cool:
Ditto. Thanks for the time put into informing us. :cool:CJG said:Thanks for your time. :cool:
wake_rider said:What about Gasgas, and Yamaha? Both are still pursuing r&d in their 2 stroke programs as well... blah.. blah... blah...
YamaB said:It is my impression that the yz250 basically gets cosmetic changes and minor tweaks each year, while ktm basically re-designed the whole bike for '08. You also have to consider that the ktm's come ready to race in the woods, while the yz250 is a hard core mx'er which needs quite a bit of work to get it ready for serious offroad racing. I don't know much about GasGas, so I can't comment on them. I do know that you see VERY few of them around for whatever reason.
This is my 4th season of competitive racing and I would consider myself a fairly skilled rider. I'm probably faster than most, albeit the AA guys still make me look stupid.
As for power, I prefer a smoother power curve w/ loads of torque over a motor w/ a lot of HIT. I've owned a yz250 and kx250 which both had a very big HIT. Lots of fun on the mx track but a handful in the tight woods that I usually race in. Not that my 300 lacks straight line power. My 300 definitely doesn't FEEL that fast due to the smooth power delivery, but I don't have any trouble keeping up with 450 4t's on long straights.
I've owned Yamahas, Hondas, Kawasakis, and Ktms. I don't have any particular brand loyalty, albeit I used to be a die hard Yamaha guy (see my screen name). So far the orange bikes have been the most reliable and over-all my favorites.
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