SPOILER - Broome Tioga

[Micahdawg]

Since no one else seems to be posting results of the Nationals Race from this weekend I hopped on AMA's site to check it out.

250's = Carmichael 1st in both motos, Windham 2nd in both moto's and JBS 3rd in Moto 1 and Fonseca 3rd in Moto 2. Looks like JBS didn't finish Moto 2.

125's Moto 1 = Alessi 1st, Langston 2nd, Hepler 3rd
Moto 2 = Hepler 1st, Alessi 2nd, Tedesco 3rd.

Here's all the dirt:
http://www.amaproracing.com/05mx/binghamton/index-links.html

Found it interesting that JBS set the quickest lap time in Moto 2 with 02:15.738. Carmichael pulled 02:15.790 in Moto 1. Not sure if that speaks to the 2 stroke, the rider, the track, or a combination of all 3. Kinda nice to see the 2 smoke can hold it's own (even if for a short while).

Micah

 

[bclapham]

250's = Carmichael 1st in both motos

cant wait to watch it on TV.....not!!!! :(

 

[Senior KX Rider]

RC wins his 25th overall ina row :yeehaw: Pretty boring stuff :nod: I was gonna post the results but didn't know if anyone cared. RC wins Bobo crashes :blah: Top 10 again for Dowdy :cool:

250s

1 50 25 (1) 25 (1) 4 R. Carmichael Havana, FL Suzuki RMZ450
2 44 22 (2) 22 (2) 14 K. Windham Centreville, MS Honda CRF450R
3 33 13 (8) 20 (3) 24 E. Fonseca Murrieta, CA Honda CRF450R
4 33 18 (4) 15 (6) 26 M. Byrne Murrieta, CA Kawasaki KX250
5 30 12 (9) 18 (4) 12 D. Vuillemin Corona, CA Yamaha YZ450F
6 29 15 (6) 14 (7) 17 R. Reynard Oklahoma City, OK Honda CRF450R
7 29 16 (5) 13 (8) 70 T. Preston Hesperia, CA Honda CRF450R
8 26 14 (7) 12 (9) 27 N. Wey Dewitt, MI Honda CRF450R
9 22 6 (15) 16 (5) 105 R. Hughes Temecula, CA Suzuki RMZ450
10 21 10 (11) 11 (10) 16 J. Dowd Ludlow, MA Suzuki RMZ450
11 20 20 (3) 0 (37) 259 J. Stewart Haines City, FL Kawasaki KX250
12 18 8 (13) 10 (11) 28 S. Hamblin Murrieta, CA Kawasaki KX250
13 17 11 (10) 6 (15) 73 J. Buckelew Riverside, CA Honda CRF450R
14 10 2 (19) 8 (13) 23 K. Lewis Henderson, NV Honda CRF450R
15 10 3 (18) 7 (14) 33 J. Thomas Melrose, FL Honda CRF450R
16 10 9 (12) 1 (20) 77 M. Goerke Lake Helen, FL Suzuki RMZ450
17 9 0 (32) 9 (12) 48 B. Gray Middleburg, FL Honda CRF450R
18 8 4 (17) 4 (17) 38 R. Clark Waddell, AZ Honda CRF450R
19 7 7 (14) 0 (21) 129 J. Dement Kingwood, TX Suzuki RMZ450
20 5 0 (21) 5 (16) 185 B. Smith Leonard, MI Yamaha YZ450F
21 5 5 (16) 0 (24) 94 B. Modjewski Hatley, WI Suzuki RMZ450
22 3 0 (24) 3 (18) 109 B. Carsten Bayville, NJ Suzuki RMZ450
23 2 0 (31) 2 (19) 337 J. Marsack Allenton, MI Honda CRF450R
24 1 1 (20) 0 (33) 46 C. Stiles Athens, AL Suzuki RMZ450
25 0 0 (27) 0 (23) 770 J. Harper Toms River, NJ Suzuki RMZ450
26 0 0 (25) 0 (26) 156 W. Browning Rushville, OH Suzuki RMZ450
27 0 0 (26) 0 (28) 321 C. Wisniewski Wellfleet, MA Honda CRF450R
28 0 0 (28) 0 (27) 317 J. Hazel Kings Beach, CA Yamaha YZ450F
29 0 0 (23) 0 (34) 196 L. Reid Llano, CA Suzuki RMZ450
30 0 0 (29) 0 (29) 265 A. Pingotti Middletown, NY Honda CRF450R
31 0 0 (22) 0 (36) 54 J. Gibson Westerville, OH Honda CRF450R
32 0 0 (37) 0 (22) 250 M. Burris Bailey, CO Honda CRF450R
33 0 0 (30) 0 (32) 632 K. Hoge Pittsburgh, PA Suzuki RMZ450
34 0 0 (40) 0 (25) 184 D. Stapleton Capitola, CA Honda CRF450R
35 0 0 (35) 0 (30) 557 J. Weller Montgomery, NY Honda CRF450R
36 0 0 (36) 0 (31) 636 V. Mckiddie Huffman, TX Suzuki RMZ450
37 0 0 (33) 0 (38) 360 J. Cook Elizabethville, PA Honda CRF450R
38 0 0 (38) 0 (35) 717 K. Mace Hesperia, CA Honda CR250R
39 0 0 (34) 0 (39) 155 M. Eastwood Salem, OH Honda CR250R
40 0 0 (39) 0 (40) 34 C. Gosselaar Victorville, CA Suzuki RMZ450

 

[Senior KX Rider]

Alessi wins and where is Mike Brown? Did they pick the wrong guy for the MX Des Nations
125s
1 47 25 (1) 22 (2) 800 M. Alessi Apple Valley, CA KTM 250SXF
2 45 20 (3) 25 (1) 60 B. Hepler Kittanning, PA Suzuki RM250Z
3 36 18 (4) 18 (4) 51 A. Short Murrieta, CA Honda CRF250R
4 36 22 (2) 14 (7) 8 G. Langston Murrieta, CA Kawasaki KX250F
5 34 14 (7) 20 (3) 30 I. Tedesco Murrieta, CA Kawasaki KX250F
6 31 15 (6) 16 (5) 35 J. Grant Riverside, CA Honda CRF250R
7 26 13 (8) 13 (8) 39 K. Smith Ludington, MI Yamaha YZ250F
8 25 10 (11) 15 (6) 3 M. Brown Johnson City, TN Honda CRF250R
9 24 16 (5) 8 (13) 338 J. Lawrence Estell Manor, NJ Suzuki RM250Z
10 21 11 (10) 10 (11) 188 D. Millsaps Cairo, GA Suzuki RM250Z
11 21 12 (9) 9 (12) 44 P. Carpenter Ithaca, NY Kawasaki KX250F
12 16 9 (12) 7 (14) 123 B. Metcalfe Murrieta, CA Yamaha YZ250F
13 14 3 (18) 11 (10) 31 D. Smith Middleton, ID Yamaha YZ250F
14 12 0 (39) 12 (9) 37 R. Mills Clintondale, NY KTM 250SXF
15 12 7 (14) 5 (16) 207 R. Villopoto Poulsbo, WA Kawasaki KX250F
16 9 6 (15) 3 (18) 141 S. Boniface Murrieta, CA Honda CRF250R
17 8 8 (13) 0 (37) 122 M. Walker Mcdonough, GA Kawasaki KX250F
18 7 1 (20) 6 (15) 132 B. Laninovich Lake Elsinore, CA Honda CRF250R
19 7 5 (16) 2 (19) 42 J. Rodrigues Temecula, CA Honda CRF250R
20 4 0 (26) 4 (17) 65 R. Sipes Vine Grove, KY Suzuki RM250Z
21 4 4 (17) 0 (24) 75 R. Owens Wildomar, CA Suzuki RM250Z
22 2 2 (19) 0 (22) 97 R. Kiniry Skaneateles, NY Honda CRF250R
23 1 0 (23) 1 (20) 74 M. Blose Allen, TX Honda CRF250R
24 0 0 (25) 0 (21) 68 B. Jesseman New Brighton, PA Suzuki RM250Z
25 0 0 (24) 0 (23) 18 B. Sellards Sherrodsville, OH Yamaha YZ250F
26 0 0 (22) 0 (26) 475 J. Casillas Jamul, CA Honda CRF250R
27 0 0 (28) 0 (25) 240 R. Marshall Stow, MA Honda CRF250R
28 0 0 (21) 0 (32) 801 J. Alessi Apple Valley, CA KTM 250SXF
29 0 0 (30) 0 (27) 727 K. Brodsky Hanover, PA Suzuki RM250Z
30 0 0 (32) 0 (29) 366 T. Addy Genoa, NY Honda CRF250R
31 0 0 (35) 0 (28) 114 J. Brayton Fort Dodge, IA Suzuki RM250Z
32 0 0 (34) 0 (31) 510 A. Nason Danielson, CT Suzuki RM250Z
33 0 0 (27) 0 (39) 622 C. Pugrab Ellington, CT Kawasaki KX250F
34 0 0 (31) 0 (36) 731 S. Roman Avonmore, PA Yamaha YZ250F
35 0 0 (38) 0 (30) 261 J. Morrison Wareham, MA Kawasaki KX250F
36 0 0 (29) 0 (40) 798 W. Ainsworth Columbia, CT Kawasaki KX250F
37 0 0 (37) 0 (34) 870 M. Pugrab Ellington, CT Kawasaki KX250F
38 0 0 (36) 0 (35) 66 T. Hahn Decatur, TX Honda CRF250R
39 0 0 (33) 0 (38) 685 T. Hibbert Centreville, MS Honda CRF250R
40 0 0 (40) 0 (33) 436 M. Dougherty Whitesboro, NY Kawasaki KX250F

 

[Anssi]

Top 5 again for Dowdy :cool:

250s

10 21 10 (11) 11 (10) 16 J. Dowd Ludlow, MA Suzuki RMZ450

I agree that Dowd is cool, but "huh?"

 

[Senior KX Rider]

Sorry about the error its early :coocoo:

 

[dirt bike dave]

Looks like Reynard had a good ride.

 

[zcookie49]

yeah, I too have been wondering about Brownie that past month about going to the Nations. He seems to have definately slipped from earlier in the season. I wish I could see it on TV, then we could see if he isnt getting starts or what.

 

[Snagmaster]

I <3 dowdy. he signed my hat. My mom graduated with a jon dowd. Not the same guy but SCARY SIMILAR. However i hate carmichael. He was a cocky ass-stain after moto 2. I wanted to see someone punch him in the head cause he was ridin so close to the people.

 

[funktree]

TWMX has some nice pics up from this race, I think Steve Giberson might be my favorite
photographer, either he has a really good eye, or that track is just too easy to get good shots on.

 

[weimedog]

Not much exciting to chat about without Stewart....wait....maybe..something...... ONLY 3 Yamaha's in the 250/450 top 20! Guess Honda is the privatier choise with Suzuki making a come back! Been quite a while since Yellow has been a primary color. Now we have something to chat about....where are all those Yamaha's and KTM's ? There are as many Kawasaki 250's as Yamaha's 450's. Guess sooner or later that top heavy feel they have would do them in as the no. 1 four stroke... :nener:

 

[nephron]

What happened to Tedesco? Maybe we ought to replace him on the MXdN? :| Stewart's continuing problems are mind-boggling. I doubt he's crashed this much in any season of his pro or amateur career.

 

[dante]

Not much exciting to chat about without Stewart....wait....maybe..something...... ONLY 3 Yamaha's in the 250/450 top 20! Guess Honda is the privatier choise with Suzuki making a come back! Been quite a while since Yellow has been a primary color. Now we have something to chat about....where are all those Yamaha's and KTM's ? There are as many Kawasaki 250's as Yamaha's 450's. Guess sooner or later that top heavy feel they have would do them in as the no. 1 four stroke... :nener:

I wonder if their is something wrong with the new Yamaha four stroke frames this year... Remember the rumors about Chad Reed not liking his or wanting to ride his 04... I know they are rumors but maybe there is something to it... Might be too rigid...

 

[zcookie49]

Yeah, I hear you, just wait for the 2006 YZF.. Keep in mind it took Suzuki, what, 7, thats right, 7 years to produce their 450 (which alot of people criticize the frame as a CRF knockoff), and took Honda 4 years. I do agree that Yamaha ran their product line 2-3 years too long without a major overhaul, but that has happened now for 2006.
Of course the Honda will be the privateer choice, it has been the best all around bike for the past 3 years, but I think you will see a change next year in the privateer status, not only because of the redesigned YZF but also the KXF will be available as well.

Not much exciting to chat about without Stewart....wait....maybe..something...... ONLY 3 Yamaha's in the 250/450 top 20! Guess Honda is the privatier choise with Suzuki making a come back! Been quite a while since Yellow has been a primary color. Now we have something to chat about....where are all those Yamaha's and KTM's ? There are as many Kawasaki 250's as Yamaha's 450's. Guess sooner or later that top heavy feel they have would do them in as the no. 1 four stroke... :nener:

 

[zcookie49]

I wonder if their is something wrong with the new Yamaha four stroke frames this year... Remember the rumors about Chad Reed not liking his or wanting to ride his 04... I know they are rumors but maybe there is something to it... Might be too rigid...

as far as I know, the YZF has had the same frame for years. The new Aluminum Frame comes out in NOvember 2006, Team Yamaha isn't using them for this season, using the 2005 steel frames.
Reed has already stated that the new YZF is dialed in soo well that he may ride it over the ultralight yz250 for Supercross 2006 (even tho this could be a PR respsonse for the new bike launch)...

 

[Devourment 138]

I guess know one sees Reynards 6th... in the "250" class

 

[Stryke]

wow theres like no 2 strokes anymore???

 

[marcusgunby]

Apart from everts winning on his fairly std looking yz450 , lots of riders seem to struggle with them, i just think they are top heavy and outdated compared to the others.

 

[biglou]

I rode Okie's 05 CRF450 at Nocona in April and never rode my 04 YZ450 again. The power is comperable, but the handling and lower CG and feel is that much better. If I hadn't had my 05 YZ250 smoker on order, I'd be riding red right now. :nod: BTW-The 250 is sooo much better handling than the 450, and scary light too. :)

 

[zcookie49]

I agree with the current CRF's, but I really am interested to see how the 06 YZF will do, it should have alot of R&D into it. They are claiming that the handling and center of gravity has been corrected. If they fail, they will fail bigtime.

 

[MikeT]

OK, Help me out here guys. I just saw the race and was wondering about these results

3 33 13 (8) 20 (3) 24 E. Fonseca Murrieta, CA Honda CRF450R
4 33 18 (4) 15 (6) 26 M. Byrne Murrieta, CA Kawasaki KX250

Ernesto got an 8 and a 3...... That equals 11.
Byrne got a 4 and a 6...... That equals 10.

So why did Ernesto get a 3rd and Byrne get 4th? I thought lower points got a better result and if you got a tie then the second moto decided who got the spot. Why didn't Byrne get 3rd?

 

[dirt bike dave]

They both scored 33 points, so they tied on points (there is a 2 point difference between 3rd & 4th place in a moto). But since Ernie beat Byrne in the 2nd moto he wins the tie breaker.

 

[MikeT]

They both scored 33 points

I guess I don't know what the points alloted are for the positions earned. Could some one post them?

Thanks

 

[Reesknight]

Overall First Moto Second Moto Bike no.
Place Points Points Place Points Place
3 33 13 (8) 20 (3) 24
4 33 18 (4) 15 (6) 26

Hope that helps.


Well that didn't work cause it deleted out my spaces.

 

[dirt bike dave]

In each Moto,
1st = 25 points
2nd = 22
3rd = 20
4th = 18
5th = 16
6th = 15
7th = 14
8th = 13
and so on down to 1 point for 20th