Taking a kid riding that isn't yours...

zio

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LT, I knew you'd hop in on this one, big bother! R White, good call in the end. I understand why everyone is paranoid of attorneys. My family has been wrongfully sued quite a bit, though never lost a case thankfully. But to put it in simple terms, a few rotten apples spoil the bunch- in this case it's the reputaion of all others that they spoil. However, I believe that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt. I'm an insurance agent, which some will argue is worse than being an attorney. there really are some gutter rats out there (insider agent term). But most of us really aren't that bad, just dull. And then there's the occasional guy from "Groundhog Day". What was his name?

YZguy15, what a heart. I'm impressed that at yoor age you're considerate of these things. Most of the "have's" aren't. Maturity is a long road, and surprisingly few ever fully achieve it. But you're on the right track.

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R White

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zio my first dealings with lawers is when the US goverment took 10,000 acres of family land which my grand father reclamed from marsh ie.dug culverts,made large canals to drain excess water into the great salt lake. well the US gov. came in and said that they needed it for for flood control for the town of willard which sits in the foot hills aprox.800ft above the valley floor .after they won in court (sure they paid us .05c on the dollor of what its worth). the feds gave it to the state.they turned it into a rec. park and if I want to go on that part of family land I have to pay fee's.( yes I know melvin dumar and the lawer who represented him is now a judge his name is rodger s dutson. ) and theres more!!!
 

KawieKX125

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R white, one bad experience with a Lawyer and you hate them all? Pretty childish and ignorant. Most lawyers I have met and every one on this site is very cool. All the lawyers I talked to when my track was having a problem was more than willing to help. Good...yes, bad...absolutely not in any way shape or form!
 

R White

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and theres more!!!
A LOT MORE!!! in the past ten years I.ve had 17 lawyers work for me and out of those two were good one's, they have since left the biz.and yes LT is a good one he is a corp. attorny the worst thing he does is create small print thats hard to read
 

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Wow -- the GOVERNMENT took your land so you hate lawyers? Geez. It's lawyers that are the only thing to STOP government repression.

BTW -- 17 lawyers in 10 years? Very unusual.
 

R White

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our own lawyer sold us down the river,after you fight the gov.all kinds of #^^@W%^* pops up from from their lawyers, tryed to take kids cause we ride dirt bikes ie child endangerment took my only blood son and put him with his junkie mother against the advise of the gardian ad litem`haven't seen him since 95 S B L& judge ,(the rest of the kids are step yet I treat them as my own there fathers in prison I've been there dad for 8yrs) tryed to sue us because we let people ride on our property lost that one scum bag lawyer,the list go's on
bottom line UTAH as you can see I left family still there
to all going to this police state for olympics rember this quote, go on vation leave on probation
rember widow maker hill climb stoped because of tree hugers, well now it's covered with high dollar homes with a perfect view of utah STATE PRISON
yup urine utah , one plus all kinds of places to ride for free ,at least before clinton
 
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R White

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hey kids I went fishing and boy did I catch a big one. He used a big play on words as most lawyers do to confuse things.you can't fight represe of property when they claim immonetdomain for the good of the people.you know he and I are doing the wrong thing with all these posting on this kids topic. flame board look for IT.again yzguy15 IM SORRY!

HEY YZGUY15 you and your buddy HAVE FUN,BE SAFE
 
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Jaybird

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R White,
Don't you think your rub should be with politicians rather than lawyers?
 

JMD

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R White, congratulations. You have posted probably the most ignorant, misinformed post I have read since the one from the guy who wondered what size drill bit to use to relieve the pressure of a sinus headache.

If you are ever arrested for a crime you did not commit, who will protect you from the power of the state? A lawyer. If a drunken driver plows into your car and leaves you paralyzed, who will secure compensation, so you don't have to be in poverty as well as paralyzed? A lawyer. If a business partner cheats you and robs your family of everything, who will vindicate your rights? A lawyer.

Everyone in this country has actively participated in establishing or ratifying the system of laws and government under which we all live. We're not slaves or pawns of some totalitarian regime; we all vote for our lawmakers, from the city council all the way to Congress. And the people we elect make the laws we observe. The courts merely administer justice under those laws. And lawyers simply represent their clients' interests before those courts, under those laws, which were promulgated by the lawmakers placed in office by the majority of the people interested enough to vote. It's not the lawyers' system; it's yours, and mine. If you don't like it, get a majority of the people to agree with you and change it.

But be careful what you wish for. That thicket of laws that keeps so many lawyers working also shields you and me, shields us from the power of the state, and from powerful individuals and entities who otherwise would run roughshod over our rights. If you curtail people's ability to vindicate their rights in court, you may find yourself the next victim, and unable to seek redress.
 

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RWhite -- maybe you missed it, but in the middle of this nonsense I gave the kid the advice he needed. And invited him to pm me for more.

As to your lawyer bashing -- I think you may be done now?
 

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Most people are not aware of it, but there's another risk that was not mentioned: insurance subrogation. It works like this: The parents of the kid you are going riding with work for, say, "ACME Products" which provides their medical insurance. So now you take the kid riding and he gets hurt. You go to the emergency room and get it taken care of. His parent's ACME medical insurance policy takes care of the bill. His parents are understanding, these things happen. End of story? No. Many large companies now use insurance subrogation to recover costs.

Once per quarter ACME sends a CD-ROM with all their recent claims to a subrogation specialist. The subrogation firm data-mines the recently paid claims for accident codes - ones they think they can recover money on. The deal is that the subrogation specialist can keep $0.30 on the dollar of whatever they can recover. So about three to six months after the accident the kid's parents get a letter that has a very strong tone - much like a collection agency - demanding that they call immediately and provide details about the accident - implying that they will be in big, serious legal trouble if they don't cooperate. Based on that info, if the subrogator thinks they can hang some aspect of it on you, then they will try to recover money for ACME from you or your insurer.
 

KawieKX125

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Ya, so, that has to do with what? Even if you got hurt with another persons parents I doubt this "subrogator(sp)" could take it away if it was truly an accident. BTW, in the MANY times I have gotten hur skiing and riding the insurance paid and that was the end of the story. None of this subrogator stuff.
 

KC_BigDog_51

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Originally posted by cujet
don't do it.

Chris


I second that!! It sure is nice of you to try and help someone eperience the sport of dirt biking but there are just too many technicalities involved. One wrong move with the wrong person and you could be sued and loose everything. Kust not worth it too me.
 

stormer94

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I kind of disagree on the "don't do it" thought.

If you feel you require a waiver, then you aren't close enough to the family to take the child anyway. The kids I would take are practically family. They stay at our house on the weekends, our kids occaisionally stay at their house. We hang together like family.

My son has some friends that don't normally ride that are always at our house. No way in heck would I take them to a race, NOR would I let them ride our stuff. Just because a 12 year old says he knows how to ride doesn't mean he does. It's not my job to teach the child of somebody I don't know, how to ride. And I would be pissed as a parent to find out somebody elses dad had taught my son something technically dangerous without my permission, like target shooting or hang gliding.

That said, if we had a good neighbor, and I mean a good neighbor (like family) that asked if I would teach their son to ride. I'd do it, but I'd make sure the parent was there to supervise as well.

It's a tough call to be sure.
 

BRush

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Originally posted by KawieKX125
Ya, so, that has to do with what? Even if you got hurt with another persons parents I doubt this "subrogator(sp)" could take it away if it was truly an accident. BTW, in the MANY times I have gotten hur skiing and riding the insurance paid and that was the end of the story. None of this subrogator stuff.

Ok, I don't get the reason for the dose of attitude, but you seem to be arguing that because something did not happen to you, it couldn't have happened to anyone else?

It's a novel approach, I'll give you that. :think
 

NVR FNSH

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Originally posted by BRush


Ok, I don't get the reason for the dose of attitude, but you seem to be arguing that because something did not happen to you, it couldn't have happened to anyone else?

It's a novel approach, I'll give you that. :think

About 6 months after I tore my ACL my insurance company was calling me to find out if anybody else caused my accident. I don't think the person appreciated my response - Gravity. Maybe they could have gone after Newton?

Brian
 
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