Two-stroke play bike

Tomck · Feb 15, 2004

Hi everyone (just joined DRN). After owning a Suzuki TS100 and Suzuki RM125 in my teens, I did not have a motorcycle for almost 25 years. In 2002, I purchased a new Yamaha XT225. It is an excellent motorcycle for its intended purpose, and a capable trail bike. Here in southeast Michigan, any type of dirt riding involves at least several hours of driving. I earned my street license, and with my dual-sport motorcycle, I can put on my helmet and putt-putt around on side streets whenever I please.

I also want to purchase a more specialized two-stroke enduro/play bike that can handle rougher terrain and modest jumps of 10-20 feet. I am looking for the following attributes: light weight, excellent handling/suspension, linear power, reliability, and versatility. I am considering the 2004 KTM 300EXC, the 2004 Kawasaki KDX220, and the 2004 Kawasaki KX250. Normally I would not consider a modern 250 motocross bike for a play bike, but I have read that the 2004 KX250 has very smooth power delivery.

I am 44, 5’9” and 175 lbs. I have a 30” inseam, but do not have trouble touching the ground on both sides of a Yamaha YZ250F (thank you size 13 feet). Price differences aside, which bike would you recommend, and are there some other bikes that I should consider? I would really appreciate hearing some insights, especially from people who own the bikes under consideration. Thanks!

BlazinBoy · Feb 15, 2004

A KTM300EXC would be an excellent decision. Now I am a die-hard KX fan and ride/race KX's offroad (enduro, harescrambles). But I gotta tell you you will not go wrong with an EXC. Second is the KX. GREAT offroad motor on em and once you get the suspension dialed for woods the bike is sweet. KDX's are nice for mild trail riding and are bulletproof. They are just behind in the technology so it rides like an old school dirtbike. I had an 87 and 90 KDX200 and loved em but once I switched to a 94 KX250 I was sold!!!!! The KX just seemed superior everywhere over the KDX. Another thing to consider is the EXC will have soft suspension, headlight, aluminum bar, o-ring chain, 18 inch rear tire, everything you need for trailriding.

70 marlin · Feb 16, 2004

Tomck: welcome back to riding fellow michangander. Come hit the West Side trails some time with us! I live in the Jackson area and have the same problem you have. You'd be very happy with any of your choices. If you can swing it the KTM has a higher standard over the Japanese. Hey there's a fellow up the road from you that sells 1 or 2 old Husaberg's (surplus inventory) for great prices!!! I know their four strokes. But I have never seen a more tricked out bike for the price. Just a suggestion.

nectar · Feb 16, 2004

Get the KDX220 over the KTM300, cause the 300 will get you hurt if you don't have excellent throtle control...one whiskey ride and you'll be selling that KTM under "injury sale"....Don't worry the KDX will have all the power you need to get into and out of trouble, and if in a couple of years you're ready for more power you will be ready for a bigger bike.... Good luck with it.

joereitman · Feb 16, 2004

My 03 kx250 is a great all arounder, especially with the 12t front sprocket, 120/90-19 Maxxis IT, pipe guard and skid plate. All of these parts combined were only about $150, mail order, and make it a good woods bike. Plus it will still do 65' triples set up this way. :) You can still get a new 03 KX250 for about $4k.

Tomck · Feb 16, 2004

Thanks a lot for the responses, guys. It looks like there is no clear consensus other than that any of the three bikes will do quite well. I'll do some research on the Husaberg (heard the brand name before but do not know anything about them).

CJG · Feb 17, 2004

Tomck,
The Husaberg's are all four-strokes. They are supposed to be very good bikes(I haven't ridden one), but they have a reputation for being demanding maintenance-wise.

I currently have an '03 KX250 and an '03 GasGas EC300DE, and would recommend either of these bikes as a good trail bike. The KX is more demanding and the suspension needs some attention for casual trail riding, but if your aggressive you'll be rewarded(and the price is right). The GG however is an amazing trail bike straight out of the crate, it will easily outhandle my brothers '02 KTM200EXC on the tightest trails. The stock suspension is excellent, and the engine is extremely smooth from just above idle all the way to the top.

CJ

GhostRider32 · Feb 17, 2004

Joereitman,

What website did you use to get you add ons. I have a 03 KX250 and love it but I am looking for a good skid plate that covers the water pump and all.

joereitman · Feb 17, 2004

I think it was a Moose product from maybe Newport cycle?? If you can't find site I will search for it. Will pull my receipt tonite and get part #. Most everything else comes from rockymountainmc.com. I also run a FMF Q series silencer. Quieter and adds top end.

My forks have midvalve to check valve conversion, much plusher.

Tomck · Feb 17, 2004

CJG,

Thanks for your reply. The Husabergs are definitely nice looking bikes, but I would like to buy a two-stroke while they are still available. I checked out the GasGas site, and the EC300 is a great looking bike. It has a bunch of quality components, and just has a look of craftsmanship. There was one thing that was hard to tell in the photo. Is that part of a coolant recovery system that hangs down near the cylinder head? I am going to do some further research on GasGas bikes, and try contacting one of the dealers in Michigan.

CJG · Feb 18, 2004

Tomck,
I know what you mean about wanting a two-stroke, I'm not ready to be forced to ride a four-stroke yet either. Regarding the thing hanging down near the cylinder head, I assume you are refering to the mounting brackets that attach to the cylinder head from the frame, it's essentially another engine mount.

For more info on GasGas bikes, try www.smackovermotorsports.com . They are a dealer in Arkansas and they also have a nice little bulletin board with lots of GG info.

The GG 300 engine is very smooth and sneaky fast. My brother said it accelerated so smoothly that he thought it was torn up, until he almost overshot his first turn because he didn't realize how fast he was actually going. The 300 is like a four-stroke in many ways: it has power throughout the powerband, it doesn't have a big hit anywhere, and it will lug practically all the way down to idle. But, unlike a four-stroke, it isn't top-heavy, it starts easily even when hot, and the noise isn't deafening. For these reasons you may like the Gas Gas or you may prefer a KX or KTM because they have a more traditional two-stroke hit. Also, some people are not comfortable with the ergonomics of the GG's. Personally I can go straight from my KX to my GG and be perfectly comfortable, but some people are much pickier.

It seems like your in a no lose situation, the KTM, GG, KX, and KDX are all fine bikes, and any one of them could be a very good choice.

Good luck,
CJ

fuzzy · Feb 18, 2004

Don't count out the 200 and 250 EXC's either...A 200 EXC is a great bike! A KDX is a great bike! GasGas's are incredible. Most jap bikes will need susp work for decent performance....The KTM's/GasGas/TM (euro's) are pretty sweet out of the box. Regardless it sounds like you'll want something with a wide ratio trans, which is harder to find in a 2-stroke these days....Those mentioned above are about it...ATK(American) also...Expect to shell out some cash for a non-jap bike!

kdxtodd · Feb 18, 2004

Get the 300, NOW!

CaNaDiAn,Eh? · Feb 18, 2004

From what I have heard the Gas Gas is supposed to be a terrific bike. The KTM's are awesome bikes, but you will need good throttle control. The KDX is an awesome bike, it's got all the power you'll need, and is also very forgiving. Plus it doesn't take much to turn it into a screamer. I don't know anything about Husabergs other than that they sure do look nice!

zio · Feb 18, 2004

I love riding ktm 200's. I forget how light & nimble they feel. And they've got a good amount of power. Great all-around bikes, IMO. If I didn't have a 300 (which I love to death), I'd probably go for a 200. And re: too much power- no such thing. Throttle control is easy to learn on any bike. Personally, I think a 250 motocrosser is actually more difficult to master than my 300.

Mainjet · Feb 18, 2004

I've had several KDX 200/220's, some in KX 125 chassis. I have also had 2 - 2001/2003 EXC 300's....My opinion? YZ250 hands down the best 2 stroke I've ever ridden....More bottom response and torque than the 300, linear power, very fast bike, 220 lbs. 2002 thru 2004 you can't go wrong.............

Psalm31.24 · Feb 18, 2004

I don't know what the emission/registration laws are in Michigan. But here in California, we have green sticker and red sticker bikes. Green sticker bikes can ride public land year round, red sticker bikes only a few months out of the year. Again, I don't know if this is an issue in Michigan, but you might want to research the issue a bit.

fuzzy · Feb 19, 2004

Mainjet: This is why I'll never understand why they didn't continue production of the YZ250WR. Some riders didn't like things about it like the fat tank, etc. I fixed all that on mine, and you would have to club me and steal it to have it. I know it all has to do with the 2-stoke ban in the future, but there is a big market for woods 2-stokes these days and I think they ducked out of that market too quick. Would'nt you love to be able to roll out of the showroom with a YZ250 that had a WR trans, heavy FW, softer susp, 18" RW, Lights, "IMS" tank?? Well I've got one, and hopfully I'll never completely mangle it.

KAWA200'sRule · Apr 5, 2004

If i could have any bike I would take a KTM 300sx since I'm getting into mx. But if I was doing alot of trail riding I would get the 300exc. They are very fast,great handling but if you want "The best trailbike ever made get the KDX 200 or 220." I did not make that up it was called that by many mags. This site is a little older but still tested a lot of bikes. Link: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdirt/trailrider/1kdx200.html
They test the husaberg,atk's,kdx,klx,ktm's husqvarna's and more. Its on the bottom of the page.

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