Upgrading from KDX: KTM or GAS GAS?

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I've been on a KDX 200 for 5 years and have previously ridden mainly 125 mx bikes. I ride with some really fast enduro racers and although I don't race much myself I try to keep there pace. They all ride KTM's and I really have to work on my KDX to keep up.
We also have a new Gas Gas dealer in town and the bikes look awesome. Are they worth the extra $? I should add that I'm 38 years old, 5'7" and 130 lbs wet so I want the lightest, easiest to handle bike available. I've considered going back to a 125 but I don't feel like battling a pipey bike all day in the tight stuff. Also MX suspension will probably be to stiff for me in the woods.
From everything I've read and most peoples advice, the KTM exc200 is the choice, but that GAS GAS looks so nice and with everything around here being orange, it would be nice to be different.
Thanks in advance.

Scott
 
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Definitely go for the KTM if you want to keep up. The GasGas is a gentler Trail bike style-heavier and with a milder power/torque curve compared to the KTM. Great for Enduro but for all out fun and games you want a Katosh you do !
GG haven't quite got the build quality and reliability cracked yet.
I've just ridden the 200EXC in the UK- buy one! You won't be disapointed. It goes like stink, is light and great fun.
Sometimes its better to conform. You will look different pushing your bike 10 miles back out of the trail !!!
 
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Go Gas Gas be different , be better... From most people you here very little problems and the 200 xc is awesome.. Also base it a little on the dealer, is one much better than the other??
 

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I know it's not one of your options, but if I was that weight and riding mostly tight woods, I'd rather be on a current yz or rm 125 than a 200exc. I'm about 180 and even at that weight I preferred the 125 for it's flickability. The cr I rode felt a bit stiff and pipey, but the yz had great power and suspension. Of course the exc is great too, especially if you're not a hard-revver by nature. Jm2c :).
 
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Actually, I've always been a revver and am seriously considering a 125. I've gotten used to the wide powereband of my KDX but except for the tightest spots I'm always screeming it.
I was about this close to buying a KTM 125 SX last week but had second thoughts. I want light and flickable. I definately want a better suspension than my KDX but still somewhat plush.
You got me thinking again.

Scott
 

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There's a reason why your buddies are riding them orange bikes!... You will conform,....EXC200,...repeat after me,....EXC200. ;)
 
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The key word in your question is "upgrade". The answer is elementary my dear Holmes...upgrade = Gas Gas:p
 
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EXC 200

A 200 exc IS basically a bored 125 ...same engine case/trans and same frame ,the Gas Gas use the same frame as a 250 ,so if you want flickability you should go orange ...IMO :)
 
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you'd be pleased with either

Lightfoot IMHO,

It is rare to hear of a GG owner who isn't very pleased with his/her bike. KTMs as well are awesome bikes. I came off a 94 KDX, to an older model KTM exc250 (and I liked the bike), but have switched to a 99 GG EC300. The power delivery of the GG is electic smooth. The newer XCs have a bit more of a hit to them (I hear) but are still tamer than the KTM excs. My GG has much much smoother power delivery than a KTM 300. That is good, if that is what you want. A hit is fun for play/trail riding, a reduced hit is good for maintaining traction, and reduced fatigue (nice in tight woods or on long rides).

If you want a quality bike that is a little different from the others I would not hesitate to go with the Gas Gas. However If you go orange you'll get a quality bike and be pleased as well (and receive less razing from your buddies)

good luck with your choice,
the WoodChuck
 
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Lightfoot,

Here are my 2 cents worth:

Ride both before you buy. Everybody has their preferences. It is worth the extra effort to get the right machine for you.

The GasGas has much less vibration than the KTM. Less fatigue and annoyance. The power delivery on the GasGas machines are very nice - ride it and find out for yourself.

Make sure you have good dealer support - post sale. With GasGas there is Smackover MotorSports. They have most parts in stock and can ship them to you in a few days.

Eric K
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Lightfoot,

I'm with EK, test ride them if you can! Just remember that KTM probably has more dealers(parts availability and more dealers to choose from for service). I would recommend that you don't go smaller than the 200 because you will get used to the power. If you get a 125 you'll just out grow it. I don't know what Bud is talking about, the Jap bikes don't compare to the KTM or the GG. The $ you save buying Jap will be spent upgrading them just to keep up with your buddies. Good luck.
 

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Rmduster, I have actually ridden the bikes in question (Have you?). Imo, the "jap bikes" compared well to the 200exc, where I test rode them (tight woods). I didn't mind the ktm, but there was no particular aspect of its performance that blew me away. Not that I'm saying ktms are overhyped or anything like that :p.

If I was in the market for a small bore 2 stroke, a 200 exc would be a definite possibility, just because it's more versatile than a 125.
 
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Hey Mick - you ever ride an EC200? I own an EC and have ridden the EXC. You are correct that the EXC is lighter (a bored 125) but it doesn't turn nearly as well.

Lightfoot, ride both, then decide. They are both great bikes.
 
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Second that Lemming. Some guys should really ride the bikes in real technical woods terrain before influencing a new buyer. I've owned a KTM 200EXC, and my GG XC250 will out turn it, no problem. Also, the KTM vibrates much more at high revs, and this has a definate effect on rider fatigue and arm pump. Yes, the GG 200 frame is the same as the 250, but it is a smaller frame to start with. Somewhere between the KTM 200 and 250/300/380 frames in overall size.

Lightfoot,

Thats what makes the bikes so good for small to average riders. For your size, you can't beat the combination of ergos, steering, and power delivery. At 5'7", you can even eaisly drop the ride height about 3/4" with different pull rods if you like.