Washington Voters Final Push for ESHB2356

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fishhead

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Thanks for the update. Can you give us who are unfamiliar with the numbers the names of the bills or a brief synopsis what they affect?
 

bbbom

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Of course Fishhead 2919 is the ORV Tag fee increase from $5 to $18 with the proceeds going to the fund trails for ORV's only (supposedly) under 2489 which is the new NOVA funding allocations - not real happy about these two but Rep. Condotta said it was the best solution he and other motorheads could come up with.

The GOOD bill is 2356 which will legalize riding ORV's on certain roadways under 35mph.
 
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Tahuya Rat

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You read the amendment by the parks, fish & wildlife? They're getting pretty serious about out of state registration, among other things.....

Sec. 5. RCW 46.16.010 and 2003 c 353 s 8 and 2003 c 53 s 238 are each reenacted and
amended to read as follows:
(1) It is unlawful for a person to operate any vehicle over and along a public highway of this
state without first having obtained and having in full force and effect a current and proper vehicle
license and display vehicle license number plates therefor as by this chapter provided.
(2) Failure to make initial registration before operation on the highways of this state is a
misdemeanor, and any person convicted thereof must be punished by a fine of no less than three
hundred thirty dollars, no part of which may be suspended or deferred.
(3) Failure to renew an expired registration before operation on the highways of this state
is a traffic infraction.
(4) The licensing of a vehicle in another state by a resident of this state, as defined in RCW
46.16.028, evading the payment of any tax or license fee imposed in connection with registration,
is a gross misdemeanor punishable as follows:

(a) For a first offense, up to one year in the county jail and a fine equal to twice the amount
of delinquent taxes and fees, no part of which may be suspended or deferred;
(b) For a second or subsequent offense, up to one year in the county jail and a fine equal to
four times the amount of delinquent taxes and fees, no part of which may be suspended or
deferred;
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(c) For fines levied under (b) of this subsection, an amount equal to the avoided taxes and
fees owed will be deposited in the vehicle licensing fraud account created in the state treasury;
(d) The avoided taxes and fees shall be deposited and distributed in the same manner as ifthe taxes and fees were properly paid in a timely fashion.

http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2003-04/House/2350-2374/2356-s_e_ams_pfw_s4876_1_02252004.txt
 
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Highbeam

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I'm not real impressed by people who register bikes out of state to weasle out of fees either. Those fees, at least a fraction of them, go to the trails.

Remember the folks doing that with their 500,000$ RVs? They cheated the gov't out of big bucks.
 

dirty~d~

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Highbeam, they are also cheating themselves out of the services offered by the State that rely on those funds to function. They are usually the same people who complain about the fees going up... gee I wonder why. :|
 

bbbom

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Here's the scoop on the death of 2356 - it died of egotistical political poisoning along with many many other good bills.

From a local riding buddy that I drug into the fight (and he's taking the lead now - amazing how a little information can fire someone up):


As far as the whole registration thing. When you do not register your bike, you don't just save money but you allow the hikers to claim more money from the NOVA pool.

The reason for the ORV Tag Increase (HB2919 which did pass) was to fill a void in DNR moto (ONLY) trail expenditures that was made with the passage (yes it passed too) of the new NOVA Allocation Bill (HB2489). The new allocation gives the IAC more flexibility in where to spend the grant money and some will still go to non-moto and "offhighway recreation" (picnic areas, mushroom gathering :think: ) BUT it also allows them to give MORE money to moto projects if and only IF the moto heads come up with good projects to apply for the money!!

By not registering your bike, you are saving yourself $21 whole dollars and you are allowing the hikers to say you DO NOT EXIST!

If all 60,000 ORV's in the state were registered, that would bring in $1.08 M for MOTO only facilities ($3 of the $21 is a handling fee just like with all tabs). It would also allow those in our screwed up legisislature that are actually working for us (Yes, there are a few) to say that the motorized users ARE a force in this state.

Unfortunately, very few register their ORV's so when the good guys go to bat for us, it appears that they are representing a very small number of people.

I hate paying the fee too and I have way more ORV's than most people I know BUT, if it means that on the next go around we can actually be taken serious then they can HAVE my $21 (actually more like $126 if I just register the bikes which I have always registered).

So, get the word out that it IS important to register you bikes and NOT just to avoid the fine. Unfortunately, since 2356 didn't pass it is still illegal to ride on the roads. We all need to write our own Senators and tell them that this is UNACCEPTABLE and that they better get their poopoo together or they will be OUTA there!

Okay, I'm going to go get a beer now - this activist stuff makes me very very thirsty! :eek:
 
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Tod

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The reason some people have chosen to license their bike out of state is not to avoid paying the relatively small state tab fee, but to get a street license on their dirt bike. From what I understand, you currently cannot convert your dirtbike to be street legal (and ride the roads the HB2356 would have opened) in Washington, but you can in some other states. Vermont lets you do it by mail.

Another lost source of ORV revenue and recognition is dual sport bikes licensed only as street bikes. They ride the trails, but don't exist in the statistics or funding stream. You can get ORV and street tabs on the same bike, but I've seen very few. The 4x4 community has the same problem and lose out because the number of 4x4s that have ORV tabs is a small minority.
 
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Hondaxrguy

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Another reason people get oregon tabs is to avoid paying sales tax that they didn't pay by buying their bike out of state. If someone got a street liscense in Oregon for their dirt bike, wouldn't Washington recognize it and give them a WA plate if they paid all applicable fees?

Jeremy
 
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Tahuya Rat

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No, not unless they would pay sales tax. When you bring a plated vehicle across state lines you have, I believe, 15 days to get it registered, then it's a misdemeaner, even if it's in your name. I know this, went to court in Eatonville over it in '92. The judge fully intended to nail me with a criminal conviction and a $500 fine even though it was one WA state would not be collecting tax on. I got out of it thanks to the prosecuter, but that's another story :cool:

To date, no one I have met has been confronted about out of state ORV tags, the powers that be haven't chosen to enforce it as far as I can see. The reason I posted the excerpt from the amendment was to warn those who've been registering out of state that they may want to re-think that strategy soon. There are going to be some changes in the type of enforcement officers we see at the trailheads soon - more cop like - so my guess is there's going to be far fewer warnings, about anything.
Most of the guys who don't tag their bikes every year to save a couple bucks get caught or turned away when they show up for trail riding. If they want to get the rest of 'em, I'd say show up at the local motocross track.

Jeremy, am sending you a pm
 
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fishhead

die you sycophant !
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There is a bit of confusion on this issue. If you are an out of state resident, your out of state orv tabs are good. If you are a WA resident and your bike has out of state orv tabs be forewarned.
 
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