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JPIVEY · Jan 11, 2002

An artist was contracted to sculpt a statue of the three firefighters raising the flag at the WTC. NYC has told the artist to change the ethnic makeup of the firefighters to be more politically correct. ( ie cuacasion, African American and Hispanic )

I for one think that the photographer,being a pro or amature created a artistic piece of work and it should not be altered.

What's your opinion

oldguy · Jan 11, 2002

I agree with you 100%. The idea of alterring history to fit a PC ideal is rediculous. This event occurred as recorded in the photograph and should not be subject to artistic revision. :mad:
Wasn't there recently a controversy over a Korean War (sorry police action) memorial in which they insisted on putting a female soldier portrayed as a fighting soldier despite the fact that women were not in that position at that time.

BSWIFT · Jan 12, 2002

Political Correctness is a cancer on our society. If you have a link to send comments, please post it. This tragedy does not need a PC spin.:mad:

Milquetoast · Jan 12, 2002

Seems fine to me, especially in NYC where there are more non-white people than white people. The point isn't the color of the 3 people who happened to be the ones that erected that flag, it's that Americans erected the flag in honor of other Americans that died. Why do white people have to "own" everything?

Patman · Jan 12, 2002

Let it ride as is. The guys who were there did it because they were Americans not because they were three white guys looking to get a picture taken or a statue made of themselves. It could have just as easily or maybe even more easily as has been pointed out been a different makeup of people but it WASN'T. Changing or trying to change the details of the past to suit a politically correct adjenda is just plain STUPID.

BSWIFT · Jan 12, 2002

Originally posted by Milquetoast
Seems fine to me, especially in NYC where there are more non-white people than white people. The point isn't the color of the 3 people who happened to be the ones that erected that flag, it's that Americans erected the flag in honor of other Americans that died. Why do white people have to "own" everything?

Unfortunately, this thread will likely end up as a Flame. Using anyone's ethnic, religious, socio-economic, or race as a qualification IMO is hogwash. Bill Murray in a movie once, desribed someone as "Clear". Hyphenated Americanism is a travisty to the Constitution and continues to divide the people of the United States. If you are an American, you should be proud of the fact, foremost, and your race, religion, or ethnic background should fall second. That does not mean that your religion should be second, rather in terms of Citizenship, it should not matter. Keep true to History.

tileman · Jan 12, 2002

Why do white people have to "own" everything

Well I do not think we "own" everything
The guys that put up that flag did not do it for the pic or to get a sculpt after them.

Let me say this what if it were all black guys that did the flag and a group steped in and says lets make it more PC and add a white guy ooooo wow I could hear the cry now.

I"ll add this I have worked in a ton of HUD house jobs they need to make a
sculpt after the ****** there seting on the couch eating up all are tax money.

I know I might get baned for what I just said but this makes me mad sorry.

Milquetoast · Jan 12, 2002

The reason "hyphenated-Americanism" exists is because white people intentionally singled out others for hundred of years in this country as inferior. Whites made their bed and now they will just have to lay in it. Don't like it? Go back to whatever all-white European country your ancestors came from. Love it or Leave it, right?

MoO_coW · Jan 12, 2002

^ = Ignorance

zilla · Jan 12, 2002

Right...

Originally posted by Milquetoast
The reason "hyphenated-Americanism" exists is because white people intentionally singled out others for hundred of years in this country as inferior. Whites made their bed and now they will just have to lay in it. Don't like it? Go back to whatever all-white European country your ancestors came from. Love it or Leave it, right?

Ah, yes, racism at it's best.. The sins of the fathers are on the son's, etc.. Attitudes such as Milquemans are what perpetuates the hatred.. I quote a famous line " Can't we all just git along?".. Give it a rest peeps..

BSWIFT · Jan 12, 2002

Originally posted by Milquetoast
The reason "hyphenated-Americanism" exists is because white people intentionally singled out others for hundred of years in this country as inferior. Whites made their bed and now they will just have to lay in it. Don't like it? Go back to whatever all-white European country your ancestors came from. Love it or Leave it, right?

Hyphenated Americanism fosters racism. I would like for racism to not exist, thus, no reason to be PC.

Patman · Jan 12, 2002

Let me ask a question Milquetoast, why is it so important to change the facts of history to please a group of people that are not native either? Maybe they should just change all the members to American Indian?

The only colors I see are orange, red, green, blue, and yellow plastic. Usually as it's passing me. :confused:

wayneo426 · Jan 12, 2002

Listening to my favorite right wing talk show on the way home from work yesterday, they were just ripping the supporters of the "multi-ethnic" statue. People from ALL ethnic backgrounds were calling in, saying how it was a complete travesty that this was being altered. Dont believe for a minute that all blacks, hispanics, or asians or whatever really want it changed. The consensus was that it should be left as the picture was captured. I feel the same way. Unfortunately in NY, there are ALWAYS some crybabies ragging on about something.......:mad: Why deviate from the truth?

justql · Jan 12, 2002

PC is just that POLITICAL correctness. If this is a political issue then it should represent OUR culture. If it is a historical question, let it be the way it was. From what little I know, (this thread) it is more of a PC thing, a sort of monument to pay respect for those people who were there etc. ie. multiple races. If I am wrong and it is a historical representation of the day....different story. Let's argue that my GG is a better woods bike than bswifts KX guys......it's more appropriate here.

fastboy · Jan 12, 2002

This has nothing to do with "white people" owning anything. This is the typical mentality that permeates the fabric of our political mindset today. We can record history as it occurred and there will inevitably be someone trying to seek recognition for something that they haven't done. Some people can turn anything into a "white thing/black thing". One of the guys raising the flag at Iwo Jima is a fellow native american and I'm proud of that, but I'm not complaining about NYC making sure that Native Americans are represented here. Let history stand as it actually occurred. If we change it, then it's not an accurate reflection of history.

Milquetoast · Jan 12, 2002

Wayne0426, you're telling me that you listen to a right-wing radio program and their consensus is that it should be a statue of 3 white guys. I am sure that if the left-wing talked about this trivial stuff, they would come up with the opposite answer. Those on the "wings" will say whatever they have been taught they are supposed to say to toe the party line.

Patman, I don't think the question is about this or that "fact". It is about who should be honored in this country for their heroism during this tragedy, and for those whose lives were taken from them. I don't think that all those Firefighters and Police officers were all white, and neither were all the other people that died. Why not honor them and all the people of this country that make it so great?

Patman · Jan 12, 2002

So your saying we should alternate on the George Washington, Abe Lincoln, and the rest of our currancy too right? We'll have various ethnic Washington's so that every group is represented right? I guess if you want to get nit picky we could find out the ethnic background of each of the three men and then we might find out that one was Irish, one German, and one Russian.

Let's just totally butcher the whole concept and add people to it. We could have a homosexual, a handicapped person in a wheelchair, a homeless bag lady,...... how long could the list really get? Perhaps start a fund to create your own monument then you can make it what you want, don't be suprised if somebody comes along and trys to alter your take on it though.:)

Milquetoast · Jan 12, 2002

If you genuinely want a response Patman, you'll need to come up with something better than that.

wayneo426 · Jan 12, 2002

Milquetoast-
The radio show I listen to often is the Sean Hannity show. Regardless of wings, (I really prefer hot and spicy ones), the consensus is that most people dont want to change the history of the picture. Surely, heroes come in all colors. The actions those people took on Sept. 11 are truly heroic, regardless of ethnicity. They could make any kind of statue they want, its just in this case I feel that if your taking a picture and making a sculpture from it, it should represent the factual portrayal of that particular event.

In the NY newspapers, there is a daily section dedicated to those people who lost their lives. Those people were of many different ethnic origins. There isnt any segregation based on who is what color. Its unimportant. Fact is, we lost way too many people that day, and those going up the stairs to rescue others, IMO, are the heroes, regardless of color.

justql · Jan 12, 2002

It's amazing how race can get brought into anything. I mean this issue is about our being Americans. Standing together, standing UNITED. Shame on anyone who for whatever reason makes it out to be about anything more.
I'm really surprised this thread has been allowed to go on. I could mention God and get it closed real quick.

Vic · Jan 12, 2002

Let us not portray things as they actually are, rather, let us portray things as we would like them to be.:silly:

mx547 · Jan 12, 2002

as an overweight person, i am offended that they made the heavy-set guy on the left much thinner.

it's bogus.

OKKX'er · Jan 12, 2002

Every American could be hyphenated. Everyone's ancestors came here from somewhere else (The native Americans walked over on the bering strait land bridge ). Yes, some came unwillingly -horrible that humans do that-but I say drop the hyphens and just be an American. My ancestors came from Germany in 1834, but I'm not German-American. If it's not what really happened it's propaganda.

Milquetoast · Jan 12, 2002

okkx'er makes a good point. I'm as white as can be but when anyone asks me where my ancestors are from, I tell them "Africa, just like yours"

justql · Jan 12, 2002

Originally posted by Milquetoast
I tell them "Africa, just like yours" [/B]

:eek: How do figure?? Is that where Eden was.

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