Hi Kalitude,
113db? Your TTR must sound like a jet :-)
Here in Germany/Europe the db limits are 98db for moto cross and 94db for enduro. Anke's KTM EXC400 and my KTM EXC520 are about 92db (with the stock pipe). I think my Biggun will be a little bit louder but I hope not too much.
BTW Anke's first race will be in March...
Peter
http://www.gp-racing.de/widowmaker_intro.html
Originally posted by kalitude:
Wow! That's quiet! My TTR125 was read at 113!
Guess I can't ride where you ride
Wow! That's quiet! My TTR125 was read at 113!
Guess I can't ride where you ride
Here in Germany/Europe the db limits are 98db for moto cross and 94db for enduro. Anke's KTM EXC400 and my KTM EXC520 are about 92db (with the stock pipe). I think my Biggun will be a little bit louder but I hope not too much.
BTW Anke's first race will be in March...
Peter
http://www.gp-racing.de/widowmaker_intro.html
I am a firm beleiver in sound level reduction. I don't beleive the aftermarket companies try too hard when I hear bikes with "Silencers" that are louder than harley's with straight pipes. I have heard more than one person say that the stock yamaha pipes are as good as aftermarket and a lot quieter. It also bugs me that a pipe so similar in design can cost 3-4 times as much as a 2stk silencer from the same company.
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mgorman,
Thumping since 1980
"If the competition is not wasted, the day is"
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mgorman,
Thumping since 1980
"If the competition is not wasted, the day is"
Barbuster,
Try a WR426 muffler. I rode with two guys who had a WR 400 & 426 that still had their stock mufflers. They were both whisper quiet. Neither rider complained about performance loss when I asked about how happy they were with their mufflers.
The WR 400 did have a Thumper Racing insert, it was still quite.
John
Try a WR426 muffler. I rode with two guys who had a WR 400 & 426 that still had their stock mufflers. They were both whisper quiet. Neither rider complained about performance loss when I asked about how happy they were with their mufflers.
The WR 400 did have a Thumper Racing insert, it was still quite.
John
I ordered the Big Gun quiet series/sa yesterday. Big Gun claims 94-95db at 3500 rmp with increase 2-3 hp over stock in low to mid but loss of about 1.5 up on top.
I currently run a e-series: with 12 disks, at aprox 3500 rmp it is 112-113db, with the quiet insert and 4 disks it is at 103db. But with the quiet insert it runs like I have a cork stuck in the exhaust, and is still too loud. I needed it to pass a 98db sound check at 1/2 throttle for local enduros.
Once I get it I will post my opinion, anyone else running this pipe? Opinions?
Todd
'98 400f
I currently run a e-series: with 12 disks, at aprox 3500 rmp it is 112-113db, with the quiet insert and 4 disks it is at 103db. But with the quiet insert it runs like I have a cork stuck in the exhaust, and is still too loud. I needed it to pass a 98db sound check at 1/2 throttle for local enduros.
Once I get it I will post my opinion, anyone else running this pipe? Opinions?
Todd
'98 400f
hey todd, thx for being responsible enough to spend the $ to get quieter, i wish everyone would do this. i put the big gun on my yz250f, race series w/quiet insert & s.a. the craftsmanship & fit are excellent. it is a good bit quieter than stock, & should pass an enduro sound test, but i haven't really tested it yet. i can't comment on the performance, as it is different enough from stock to need rejetting & i'm not thru with that yet.
I just ordered a Vortip for my WR400 having heard another. If you really want quiet, pick up a WR400/426 stock muffler, and stick a Vortip in it. www.finlinesuspension.com holds the license on it, and made a few, these are $59, and Baja Designs licensed the Vortip design (called the baja baffle) and charges $79 for the same thing. www.bajadesigns.com Both are quality products.
Hi Todd,
I ordered a Big Gun system for my KTM EXC520 and a separate silencer for closed courses but didn't get it yet. Paul told me that the quiet system will be below 94db without losing any power. The stock system has 92db.
I'll post my opinions here, too.
Peter
http://www.gp-racing.de/widowmaker_intro.html
I ordered a Big Gun system for my KTM EXC520 and a separate silencer for closed courses but didn't get it yet. Paul told me that the quiet system will be below 94db without losing any power. The stock system has 92db.
I'll post my opinions here, too.
Peter
http://www.gp-racing.de/widowmaker_intro.html
I finally received the big gun exhaust (oversize quiet series with the quiet insert) yesterday, and put it on last night. At idle the db reading at 20" 45 degrees from the exhaust is 84 db. I actually had the bike running in the garage and carried on a conversation with my wife at the same time, that's something new
With the bike at idle I could actually hear sounds from the engine (i.e. valves?, lifters? etc...). At a generous 1/2 throttle it was reading 100 db. The cool thing was it was actually breathing well. I had a white bros e-series and bought their quiet insert. When you put the e-series quiet insert into their exhaust I could notice the engine struggled to rev due to the restricted exhaust flow, not so with the big gun. It is dramatically quieter than the e-series, it has been so long since I had the stock system on that I don't know how it compares to stock, and don't have any db readings from the stock system. I have only ridden it down the driveway and back based on the fact that it was dark when I finished last night. I'll post a ride report after I get the chance to ride it.
Barbuster,
I know you are after 94 db, what rpm distance from exhaust etc.. any particular way you want me to measure it?
'98 yz400f
'99 kk80
'99 ky60
'99 pw50
'98 Lakota 300
Barbuster,
I know you are after 94 db, what rpm distance from exhaust etc.. any particular way you want me to measure it?
'98 yz400f
'99 kk80
'99 ky60
'99 pw50
'98 Lakota 300
OK, I have found a WR400 muffler for my YZ400. I need to how I should jet for this set up.
I am currently running the stock head pipe with a FMF IV2 muffler.
Will I need to change Needle, jets, air screw?
I am at sea level in California.
Any help is appreciated as I make the move to Stealth mode......
I am currently running the stock head pipe with a FMF IV2 muffler.
Will I need to change Needle, jets, air screw?
I am at sea level in California.
Any help is appreciated as I make the move to Stealth mode......
If you've got a stock YZ pipe, look at the BMP disk kit at www.bmp.motox.org/ This kit helps temper the YZ noise from stock levels, and provides a spark arrestor. 4 disks = my WR400 exhaust with a Vortip, and performance isn't much different. Plus it's lighter than a WR exhaust.
After reading magazine articles on YZ/WR pipes, I bought a YZ pipe for my WR and did this conversion. (I'm not ready to sell my WR pipe just yet). I also put one of these on our YZ250F and it works great!
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Mark
'01 YZ250F,'01 Yzinger 80,'99 WR400F,'99 XR100
'98 Royal Star TC,'96 XR200
After reading magazine articles on YZ/WR pipes, I bought a YZ pipe for my WR and did this conversion. (I'm not ready to sell my WR pipe just yet). I also put one of these on our YZ250F and it works great!
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Mark
'01 YZ250F,'01 Yzinger 80,'99 WR400F,'99 XR100
'98 Royal Star TC,'96 XR200
I have a SuperTrapp on my XR280 with 15 disks.I don't know what the db level is, but it is loud. Out of curiosity, I installed the stock pipe(I bought the bike used) and it is VERY quiet, but suffered a HUGE loss of power.so I put the SuperTrapp back on. what type of difference does more or less disks make in power/noise levels?
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philb
92 XR280R
87 XR200R
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philb
92 XR280R
87 XR200R
www.bmp.motox.org
The one for the 400 fits the 250 as well. My buddy got one for his 250f and it works well. A little reduction in noise, a little more bottom, a little less top. But his main reason in getting it was the S/A for Ranger Rick.
With 6 disks the flow is almost identical to stock so it doesn't require re-jetting. My buddy is running 6 disks and his bike is running fine.
Todd
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98 yz400f
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The one for the 400 fits the 250 as well. My buddy got one for his 250f and it works well. A little reduction in noise, a little more bottom, a little less top. But his main reason in getting it was the S/A for Ranger Rick.
With 6 disks the flow is almost identical to stock so it doesn't require re-jetting. My buddy is running 6 disks and his bike is running fine.
Todd
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98 yz400f
[This message has been edited by toddw1016 (edited 04-10-2001).]