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[QUOTE="euro gasgas, post: 574560, member: 24923"] Probably the 300 - but depends on what you prefer - the 250 has more zip and needs to be ridden a little more aggressively than the 300. The 250 revs 1000 rpm higher than the 300. The 300 comes with a reed spacer to smooth the power off the bottom. [b][/b] The US EC version is identical to the Canadian EC version. The U.S. Dealer Edition (DE) has a lighter ignition and flywheel than the EC and comes with Michelin S-12 tires front and rear instead of DOT legal Michelin Enduro Comp IIIs. The lighter ignition will let the bike rev more quickly but lacks flywheel for tighter situations. I am from the Northwest too and prefer the EC. There are bolt on flywheel weights available for the DE model if you prefer to go that way. The EC will have more flywheel effect than a DE with a flywheel. [b][/b] For the gasgas, the 250s are spec'ed to come with a #6 slide - the 300 comes with a 7.0 slide, which I think works better -> although I have heard of '03 250s coming from the factory with a #7 slide. The stock jetting is not good - most go with jetting kit from LTR (Les Tinius near you in port orchard, WA - he used to live in Redmond, maybe you know him). See [url]www.lt-racing.com[/url] for details. [b][/b] The ohlins forks work very well off road -> very plush. They have three bushings in the fork instead of two, with two "fixed bushings" - makes for less stiction and a plusher fork. I have the '01 model, for '03 they redesigned the compression piston. The '03 piston and valving uses a shim stack with a spring, Les at LTR described the new compression valving to me - sounds like it will blow off on sharp hits and hold up on slow speed stuff very very well. In stock form, the ohlins work very well; They have a mild mid-valve that can be lightened up for even plusher action in NW roots and rocks. The ohlins forks option do add to the resale value and market-ability of the bike (I was thinking about selling it and had quite a few people interested - other gasgas owners who wanted to step up to the ohlins forks and desired an EC). The WP forks are well built but are harsher than the Ohlins out of the box. LTR can make the WP fork work very well if you decide to go that way -> he does a couple of machine operations and lightens up the mid-valve to improve flow and "plushen 'em up". If you are capable of revalving the fork yourself -> you can order up a lighter rebound checkvalve spring from race-tech to lighten up the mid-valve (also referred to as "disabling the mid-valve") and "get part of the way there". [b][/b] The power delivery on the GasGas is very smooth with a very flat torque curve and a linear horsepower delivery. In comparison, the KTM hits in the middle making some say it is harder to control in the slime. You can find a dyno curve comparing a KTM and GasGas that illustrates this point here -> [url]http://www.smackovermotorsports.com/html/dyno_test.htm[/url] The ergonomics on the GasGas are very different from the KTM. The GasGas turns much more easily than the KTM. For '03, GasGas increased the rake slightly and moved the engine forward 10mm to give the front end "more bite". I have ridden an '03 ec250 and it seemed like they reached an optimum compromise between stability and carvability for '03. [b][/b] I maintain the GasGas Rider's Club website which has both lists of all aftermarket parts that are available and also a crossover parts list (e.g. CR brake pads fit, bearings, plastic, etc.). Go to [url]www.gasgasrider.org[/url]. To specifically answer your question -> BRP makes a top triple clamp with the mounting hole moved forward. It also has nine different bar mounts available that lets you move the bars up and forward to the degree you desire. See [url]www.lt-racing.com[/url] for more details. Smackover Motorsports ([url]www.smackovermotorsports.com[/url]) sells tall seat foam along with gripper seat covers for the gasgas. I think it is made by Ceet. The distributorship went through a change of hands last year. The gasgas factory went direct on distributorship. In the process, they have dropped retail prices significantly along with parts prices. They received a significant amount of financing and built a new factory to increase production. They did have three different distributors into the U.S. (trials, trials parts and enduro), in the future they will all be rolled under one company, GasGas Motors of America in Tampa, Florida. The U.S. distributorship was supposed to have a website up months ago. It will be at [url]www.gas-gas.net[/url]. I think the person developing it for them hasn't delivered... For now, enduro bike descriptions along with parts manuals, etc. can be found on the gasgas factory website at [url]www.gasgasmotos.es[/url]. [b][/b] Re-sale on a used gasgas hasn't been as good as a KTM. Mainly due to lack of name recognition. But also, I think being a "exotic niche bike", the person who would want to buy one, would also want to buy one new versus used. I think that will change in the coming year -> the prices are now very competitive with KTM and GasGas is increasing it's marketing efforts (recent articles in dirt rider, REV and trail rider, etc.). With the prices dropping and parts prices very reasonable, they won't be in the "exotic" category any longer, but I still own a great bike... jeff '01 ec300 w/ ohlins forks [url]www.gasgasrider.org[/url] GasGas Rider's Club [/QUOTE]
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