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[QUOTE="ws6transam, post: 1322843, member: 65064"] You know, I think you folks who state that the big 3 automakers have crappy designs are a major part of the problem. You don't know what you are talking about. You have your little picture of the world, and your small sample of how this, that, or the other car failed you in some fashion, and you know what? Today's quality statistics (J.D. Powers, etc. do not bear it out. The domestic automaker has faults with their cars at the same rate as non-domestic automakers. In other words, the quality of American autos is the same as non-American automobiles. The statistics tell us this. Anything else is just prejudice, in my opinion. Do you really think us Americans are that dumb that we can no longer compete with the rest of the world when it comes to manufacturing? Is everything made in America now crap? Are you really resigned to forcing Americans into the role of servant, of living in a service economy? God, it makes me mad. If you don't like Ford, GM, Chrysler, then so be it. However their cars are not crap! Not anymore. Stuff made in the 70's, and early 80's was shabby, to be true. But I don't think it's the case anymore. You state your opinion like it's fact, and so does most of the prejudiced mainstream media. I'm just tired of it. Go try out a new GM ,Ford, or Chrysler by renting one for a weekend from Hertz. I have, and I've been very impressed with the new 2009 models. You know, everyone is so waiting to see the big three get killed off, and I don't undersand it. It was the big three auto manufacturers that, over the course of only months, converted all of their factories from making cars to making the airplanes, tanks, howitzers, machine guns, and ammunition tht won world war II. Once we kill off our domestic auto industry, we will no longer have a manufacturing base in the USA which could be shifted over to defense, if there was ever another war like WWII. ..as for unions: The American unions are only a shadow of their former selves. Market forces have inexorably forced the unions to downsize their worker wage demands. The UAW has less than half their former membership. It's happening now, today, and without the emasculating of the domestic auto industry. It's also happening without intervention from the government. Also, you are dead wrong when you think that there's $80 an hour janitors in US auto plants. I live in Mid-Michigan and know what those people earn. It's a good wage, yes. I know a UAW union janitor who just recently retired, and at his peak, he was earning around $65,000 per year for a 2,000 hour work year. That's $32.50 an hour for someone with a thirty year service record. The pay of the average union worker is being reduced through worker attrition, which is the natural selection method of free enterprise. ...and what's wrong with that? [/QUOTE]
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