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Message: [QUOTE="JasonWho, post: 843709, member: 29947"] I got curious enough to go look on the Race Tech site. It shows the '86 CR125 as having the TCV's, then the '87 with cartridge forks. I knew '88 was the first year for cartridge forks in the KX. Thanks for the info. I would really like to see what those TCV's look like. Back in the day, I know DMC (Dave Miller Concepts) had a service to put TCV's in KDX forks. Back in the mid to late 80's is when I was really into keping up with the magazines. wornknobby: You can check on e-Bay for a MX Action magazine or Dirt Bike or Dirt Rider magazine with a review/test of the '86 Honda CR125. That might help you figure out what were the good and bad points. HEY! I actually have the Dirt Rider test of the '87 Honda CR125. It said the '86 Honda was the best 125 in 1986. It doesn't say anything else about the performance of the '86. It said the ATAC was beefed up a good bit from a '86 sheet metal design. Hope this helps. [/QUOTE]