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Message: [QUOTE="nephron, post: 779574, member: 23759"] Kawa--I think you've got it nailed. They're 'not that bad' at handling and jumping, while 'not that bad' doesn't come close to describing the motor. But we don't have to love everything about our bikes--this is still, without a doubt, the funnest bike I've ever owned...and I love it to death. But again (and you might visit his website) Destry Abbott even prefers the 250 in tighter 'hare scramble' courses (let alone MX--which he rides a 125). So you're gonna have to take it for what it is. Crim and I? We're just MONSTERS, baby!!! :laugh: Seriously, a couple years ago, Ritchie Owens placed 2nd or 3rd against thumpers on a KX500 at Mammoth. I think MC got first, but I could be wrong. At any rate, just to point out that it can be done. Ride one, first. Don't want you to be disappointed, as it sounds like you're budget's tight. [/QUOTE]