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Message: [QUOTE="kellyk7, post: 1015092, member: 66757"] we moved our oldest son from a PW80 to a CR80 and ride very much the same kind of rip rap you ride, fields trails woods ect, our bike is a stock 2002 and seems to lug pretty well, it is no 4 stroke, but for his size you may be getting him on too big a bike on a 125, there is a world of diference power wise between a CR80 and a PW80, and in our case the PW80 we have is faster and more powerfull than both the XR80 and xr100 so even tho he will get a clutch he is stepping back INHO there are some youth size 125s and this would be OK [/QUOTE]