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Message: [QUOTE="GSSign, post: 1420608, member: 84541"] Joe, thanks for the crf / PW comparison. I thought the CRF was taller, I know it is heavy. The adventures are far and few between around here. I think that I have read that the SX's clutch can be adjusted to decrease the hit but I think the power output of the KTM 50cc is to high for woods riding. Do I understand correctly, the KTM or all SX50's do not pull untill a high rpm is reached? The bike has to be kept tacked out or it does not pull. Why can't we have a tall sprung 50 cc bike that can do both. Maybe I will have to get the SX for now and pickup a cheap 4 stroke for the putting around. Any other ideas? [/QUOTE]