Amazingly stupid laws.BSWIFT said:2. At least in Oklahoma, the use of deadly force (discharge of a firearm) is only legal if the shots are fired at you on your property IN YOUR HOME. Exception: Persons that have concealled carry permits can use deadly force (discharge a firearm) on an attacker if the attacker is armed with a firearm, not a knife or club.
BSWIFT said:2. At least in Oklahoma, the use of deadly force (discharge of a firearm) is only legal if the shots are fired at you on your property IN YOUR HOME. Exception: Persons that have concealled carry permits can use deadly force (discharge a firearm) on an attacker if the attacker is armed with a firearm, not a knife or club.
Pretty sure that's not the case Brian, at least with the case law I've been able to find . If a knife is not considered a deadly weapon in OK, there's a issue right there. I'll do some more digging.Exception: Persons that have concealled carry permits can use deadly force (discharge a firearm) on an attacker if the attacker is armed with a firearm, not a knife or club.
a law-abiding person who is attacked in any place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat, and can “stand his or her ground” and meet force with force, including deadly force if necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm
To be 100% honest I would rather have the attacker use a firearm then a knife. With a gun he has to get it into position and then obtain a target. Unless he is a highly trained and focused person it is easier to cause him to miss by evasive tactics whereas once he is within 20 feet with a knife unless you are drawn and aimed at him chances are you are going to be a victim. Sounds hard to believe but every training session we drilled with the 20 foot attack and rarely did the officer draw his weapon, fire, and hit the attacker, even then it was usually a hit that would not stop the attack.Okiewan said:Pretty sure that's not the case Brian, at least with the case law I've been able to find . If a knife is not considered a deadly weapon in OK, there's a issue right there. I'll do some more digging.
Did you guys do this test with paintball/simunition guns?oldguy said:Sounds hard to believe but every training session we drilled with the 20 foot attack and rarely did the officer draw his weapon, fire, and hit the attacker, even then it was usually a hit that would not stop the attack.
Simunition. We had the kits to convert our personal duty carry guns to fire the soap rounds so you were always familiar with the equipmentJames said:Did you guys do this test with paintball/simunition guns?
Recently, in Tulsa, a man was threatened to the point he felt he was in immediate danger of death. He drew his concealed firearm, warned the attacker 3 times(reported by witnesses), then shot and killed the attacker. http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?s=8677731Okiewan said:Pretty sure that's not the case Brian, at least with the case law I've been able to find . If a knife is not considered a deadly weapon in OK, there's a issue right there. I'll do some more digging.
Couldn't agree more!James said:Amazingly stupid laws.
Agreed.OKIE said:Attitudes are changing about law abiding citizens being allowed to protect themselves. Most of us realize the government aint gonna do it and the police? God love 'em, but the vast majority of the time, they aren't going to be there when the bad guy mugs you or when a woman is being raped, etc.
BSWIFT said:The laws governing firearms and concealed carry permits very greatly and there is a list of states that recognize lawful permits from other states but it is not nation wide.
http:www.ok.gov/osbi/Concealed_Weapons_licensing/reciprocity/index.html
BSWIFT said:Couldn't agree more!
BTW, Oklahoma is one of the easiest states to buy firearms. Provided you go to a "Gun Show". If you go to the same dealer at his retail location, you have to fill out all of the required paperwork, 3 day wating period on hand guns, and other BS obligations. The "Gun Shows" are buy, sell, trade on the spot with only assault rifles required to have background checks (done on the spot)(i think they look behind you ;) ). The buzz is that will soon end with pending legislation and the upcoming 111th Congress and new President. Gun sales are fast and furious here.
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?s=9318999
One of my favorite media generated terms."assault rifle"
I have an assault stick, an assault fist, and an assault boot even.Okiewan said:One of my favorite media generated terms.
You are right. The loop holes exist currently in Oklahoma. Simply, if the assault rifle is used, it can be sold at the show without the associated NCIC paperwork. New assault rifle sales would have to follow all of the rules you stated. There is a big push to shut down the gun shows in Oklahoma because of the loop holes that exist which is why sales of firearms are up a minimum of 10%. One local dealer says his traffic in his story is 4 times greater than anytime in 29 years with sales nearly 60% higher than anytime in their history.James said:All ffl dealers are required to do NCIC checks on handgun purchases unless the state has a permit provision that satisfies this requirement in another matter. Some states (sounds like OK) modify their waiting periods to accomodate gun shows since the dealer wont be there 3 days later...I am not familiar with anything that relieves them of the NCIC check and pretty sure there is no "gunshow loophole". I have seen private individuals rent a table at the gunshow and do "personal sales"...clever gray area but not illegal in many states. Private sales may not be regulated in OK but if licensed dealers are selling without NCIC, thats an enforcement issue. If "assault rifles" are required to have a background check, that is an OK law, not federal...unless by "assault rifle" you mean class III weapons (fully auto) which do have additional rules.
"loophole" being another of my favorites if you can't tell.Okiewan said:One of my favorite media generated terms.
Tell you what. Get shot by a .22 rifle and tell me you weren't assaulted :p
XRpredator said:I have an assault stick
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