Any LEO/SpecOp types here? Question.

BSWIFT · Jan 15, 2009

Okiewan said:
Brian; know where I can find Oklahoma's definition of "assault rifle" ?

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=ok
2009 to date the site is. I mistated the wait period of assault rifles by law, it is a show promoter issue. Used assault rifles are still done deal at the time of purchase, regardless of the seller.
Another loop hole is that dealers will rent more than one table or space and have an individual run the space. Technically, the seller has purchased the new firearm from the dealer and then resells it as used even though it is new in the original packaging. I suspect this is illegal but it continues. The paper trail leads to the seller from the dealer and the seller no longer has to record who or when the firearm was sold, when or to who and no wait time.
Sorry to have side tracked this thread. A side note to my recent gun show experience. Since I happen to know quite a few LEO's, I spotted many of them in plain clothes watching the show goers. The two or three uniformed officers likely had 12-15 backups in plain clothes. This was one of the smaller shows promoted by Metcalf. The Wannemacker show will be in town in 2-3 weeks and is about 10 times larger.
I intend to go to check out the numbers of show goers and look for people I have met that are, might I say, questionable in their motivations.

XRpredator · Jan 15, 2009

I don't think that counts, Swifty. There are probably no "limitation" per se, because there is no definition of an "assault weapon" in Oklahoma. I don't believe there's any limitation in Idaho either.

I think the only places you'll find them banned is where they came up with a definition for them, only so they could find a way to put limitations on them.

James · Jan 15, 2009

BSWIFT said:
Another loop hole is that dealers will rent more than one table or space and have an individual run the space. Technically, the seller has purchased the new firearm from the dealer and then resells it as used even though it is new in the original packaging. I suspect this is illegal but it continues. The paper trail leads to the seller from the dealer and the seller no longer has to record who or when the firearm was sold, when or to who and no wait time.

This is not a loophole, it's a straw sale and is illegal...enforcement issue.

The individual running the 2nd table can get 10 years for that.

BSWIFT · Jan 15, 2009

Pred, I am not trying to be a know it all expert here. I'm researching much of my info as I go and it is only as reliable as the source. News reports of legislative issues surrounding "assault rifles" seems to always be in the works, definition or not. I am an expert in a number of areas, this is not one of them. Until recently, I really paid no attention to the gun shows or other issues unless it was in the news, primarily when Oklahoma passed the concealled carry law.
If fact, when this thread first started, I had not even been to a gun show. I started asking questions from gun enthusiasts, LEO's, retailers, and web searches based on my recent business transaction for delivering a gun safe. I have no intention of misleading anyone, if I mistate something and corrected, I appreciate the effort made to correct me. I have full intention of being better informed and insure that I comply with all the laws governing the sell, purchase, and ownership of firearms.
I don't know how successful challenges to existing state laws will be in the coming year but many feel that the federal laws WILL change due to the 111th Congress and the new President. Like it or not, federal law changes will effect state laws that are less stringent so on a state level, there may be little or no say so in how the laws are changed. Thanks to everyone for expanding my knowledge of this subject. If the temperature wasn't 16F right now I'd go ride my bike or "gag" work.

BSWIFT · Jan 15, 2009

James said:
This is not a loophole, it's a straw sale and is illegal...enforcement issue.

The individual running the 2nd table can get 10 years for that.

You are better informed than I. Still happens and there does not seem to be inforcement unless it is just very, very quiet, uh uh uh uh.(Elmer Fudd voice off)
Funny thing about this is, a single round fired through the weapon makes it used, period. Nothing in Oklahoma to prevent that, at least that I have found. Still looking.

BSWIFT · Jan 15, 2009

Interesting read: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=193
There was a case in Oklahoma a year or two ago where a guy was fired for having a hunting rifle in his personal vehicle on his employers property. A anti-hunting employee turned him into management as suspecting him of violating the company policy of "no firearms on the property". The company required this man to allow a search of his vehicle or be terminated. He consented and then was terminated for having the rifle in his vehicle. He sued and won for civil rights violation. I don't know if I can find the article but I'll see if I can locate it.

truespode · Jan 15, 2009

BSWIFT said:
You are better informed than I.

James is usually better informed that I as well but I still continue to try and baffle him with BS at every opportunity :laugh:

Ivan

Treejumper · Jan 15, 2009

BSWIFT said:
Interesting read: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=193
There was a case in Oklahoma a year or two ago where a guy was fired for having a hunting rifle in his personal vehicle on his employers property. A anti-hunting employee turned him into management as suspecting him of violating the company policy of "no firearms on the property". The company required this man to allow a search of his vehicle or be terminated. He consented and then was terminated for having the rifle in his vehicle. He sued and won for civil rights violation. I don't know if I can find the article but I'll see if I can locate it.

My employer has the same dumb rule in their employee handbook. Everyone still carry their rifles during hunting season.

XRpredator · Jan 15, 2009

BSWIFT said:
Pred, I am not trying to be a know it all expert here. I'm researching much of my info as I go and it is only as reliable as the source. News reports of legislative issues surrounding "assault rifles" seems to always be in the works, definition or not.

I'm not busting your balls or nothin', Brian, just saying that you are definitely going to get a slanted opinion from anything and everything that has to do with the Bradys.

James · Jan 15, 2009

truespode said:
James is usually better informed that I as well but I still continue to try and baffle him with BS at every opportunity :laugh:

Ivan

I enjoy a "good" discussion (thinking back to a particular Brushy Mountain trip :nener: )

Good times!!

Patman · Jan 15, 2009

Gee I wonder why our resident expert Crackball hasn't opined? Perhaps too busy playing war or perhaps there is a Steven Segal / Rambo movieathon.

Okiewan · Jan 15, 2009

From Oklahoma law:

Section 1290.22 - Business Owner's Rights
B. No person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity shall be permitted to establish any policy or rule that has the effect of prohibiting any person, except a convicted felon, from transporting and storing firearms in a locked vehicle on any property set aside for any vehicle.

Section 1289.7 - Firearms in Motor Vehicles - Exceptions:
Any person, except a convicted felon, may transport in a motor vehicle a rifle, shotgun or pistol, open and unloaded, at any time. For purposes of this section "open" means the firearm is transported in plain view, in a case designed for carrying firearms, which case is wholly or partially visible, in a gun rack mounted in the vehicle, in an exterior locked compartment or a trunk of a vehicle.

Any person, except a convicted felon, may transport in a motor vehicle a rifle or shotgun concealed behind a seat of the vehicle or within the interior of the vehicle provided the rifle or shotgun is not clip, magazine or chamber loaded. The authority to transport a clip or magazine loaded rifle or shotgun shall be pursuant to Section 1289.13 of this title.

Any person who is the operator of a vehicle or is a passenger in any vehicle wherein another person who is licensed pursuant to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Sections 1290.1 through 1290.25 of Title 21 of the Oklahoma Statutes, to carry a concealed handgun and is carrying a concealed handgun or has concealed the handgun in such vehicle, shall not be deemed in violation of the provisions of this section provided the licensee is in or near the vehicle.

High Lord Gomer · Jan 15, 2009

In Georgia they recently changed a similar law. Previously, employers could demand that you not have any weapons in your car. Now, they can only do so if they provide secure, guarded parking.

BSWIFT · Jan 15, 2009

Okie, can you PM me a link to that source?

BSWIFT · Jan 15, 2009

XRpredator said:
I'm not busting your balls or nothin', Brian, just saying that you are definitely going to get a slanted opinion from anything and everything that has to do with the Bradys.

Same thing with the NRA, the truth is somewhere inbetween.

Okiewan · Jan 15, 2009

Brian... all the links to OK law are here... 2nd post down
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=25&t=266654

BSWIFT · Jan 15, 2009

Thanks!

XRpredator · Jan 15, 2009

BSWIFT said:
Same thing with the NRA, the truth is somewhere inbetween.

indeed ;)

jrf4x4 · Jan 16, 2009

Where i work i am surrounded for guards with m-16 and they carry side arms, but we are not supposed have guns in our vehicles.

thumbs · Jan 16, 2009

You guys got all serious and took the fun out of this thread. I'm going to the mall to cause some trouble.

High Lord Gomer · Jan 16, 2009

Just don't go to "his" mall!

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