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Message: [QUOTE="Hart89, post: 1012923, member: 63986"] Oi don't knock the potential of a good maddick/pick and shovel. Perhaps making a table top might be a bit tuff but thats why i look for good natural terrain to cut it down a bit. Matter of time u wanna spend before you get sick of it. Ive made a 50 foot step down with just a shovel. Can someone help me out with some dimension on a kicker ramp? My mate is looking to make one in his metal work class. Hopefully use it to jump into a foam pit im hoping to make.... recycling the old chicken pen. [/QUOTE]