Congrats Barry Bonds

jeffd · Aug 6, 2007

Better living through chemistry???

Bonds gets no respect from me....

He is a friggin lab rat. It is a sad day in history IMO. But I guess this is a sign of the times when character doesn't matter anymore. Who cares how you get there, just so long as you do it - right?

To all those that are stoked to see Roid Man hit 755 - how would you feel if found out your favorite MX'er was using an cheater overbore kit or illegal fuel? Hey - who cares if they cheated just so long as they are winning? :think:

No matter what Bonds accomplishes it will be marked with controversy IMO. He will always have a "*" next to his name and the record.

Ol'89r · Aug 6, 2007

rickyd said:
Viagra's a roid? :nener: :laugh:

Don't need that either ricky :fft:

I wouldn't even want a record if everyone in the stands is going to boo me for it. What kind of a personal accomplishment would it be if you need outside, illegal help to get it?

Sorry, not a record in my book.

Like jeffd said, it's a very sad day in sports when character doesn't matter anymore. To me and I'm sure many others, character is what sports is all about.

And that special baseball that your brother has. Did you know the Chinese have been making them by the millions. Complete with black and red stitching, dirt stains and documentation and selling them as the real thing. Now that dishonest people have flooded the market, how will he prove his is real? :laugh: Now, everyone can own one. You can buy them by the container load. :rotfl:

truespode · Aug 6, 2007

Ol'89r said:
character is what sports is all about.

I thought winning was? At least that is exactly what is truthfully being taught.

People who truly believe in character are in the minority. A lot of people say it but most don't believe it.

I'm not going to go on a rant but in this morally bankrupt society we live in the vast majority of people really don't care about who is using drugs (in sports or in real life) until it effects them.

Ivan

oldguy · Aug 6, 2007

Ol'89r said:
To me and I'm sure many others, character is what sports is all about.

:

as I put in my signature
"Participating in Sports doesn't build character it REVEALS charactor" :nod:
Bonds pursuit of the record reveals his lack of charator in my view and his record should always be accompanied by an *

XRpredator · Aug 6, 2007

rickyd said:
Congrats Barry, 755 :)

Also Congrats to A Rod, career # 500, the youngest to do it and have over 250 stolen bases.

I hope Barry enjoys his 5 years in the record books, since A-Rod will eclipse him in that short time.

rickyd · Aug 6, 2007

Bonds said he will be there cheering him on :cool:

rickyd · Aug 6, 2007

Ol'89r said:
And that special baseball that your brother has. Did you know the Chinese have been making them by the millions. Complete with black and red stitching, dirt stains and documentation and selling them as the real thing. Now that dishonest people have flooded the market, how will he prove his is real? :laugh: Now, everyone can own one. You can buy them by the container load. :rotfl:

Actually about 15 years ago he took it to a big baseball collectors convention. Some guy that is a specialists of some sort out of Chicago examined the ball and asked my brother to name a price :cool: But like I said, he has yet to sell anything out of his collection. He is a collector and likes looking at his collection :cool:

Okiewan · Aug 6, 2007

We are talking about baseball, right?

rickyd · Aug 6, 2007

Okiewan said:
< Okiewan Bails >

I thought you bailed on this? :laugh:

kylee · Aug 6, 2007

HajiWasAPunk said:
Steroids could be taking safely, doctors prescribe them all the time.

1.) Not all "steroids" are equal.
2.) Being a prescribed drug doesn't assure the "safety" of the drug per se. IN fact, the contrary is more appropriately arguable. Because they are prescribed they are in fact dangerous, where the risks for use should be medically necessary, overriding the inherent dangers to putting these substances in your body.
3.)And even then, the medical necessity doesn't guarantee a free lunch on the "safety" of the prescribed drug.

That's a seriously specious assertion.

kylee · Aug 7, 2007

integrity versus questionable memorabilia

rickyd said:
My Brother has a Babe Ruth autographed baseball, black and red stitching.. Best part was my grandparents found it at a antique shop, for $1

uh huh.

rickyd said:
Nah, my brother is/was a big collector, he has yet too sell anything.. I will see if i can take a pic of the ball..

Which would prove??

rickyd said:
Also has a game used Bonds jersey that has been autographed too

rickyd said:
At one point my brother knew the Giants equipment manager, when my brothe took it too have it autographed, Barry was kinda shocked too see one of his jerseys..

(cough, I wonder if that makes those stolen goods?)

rickyd said:
Actually about 15 years ago he took it to a big baseball collectors convention. Some guy that is a specialists of some sort out of Chicago examined the ball and asked my brother to name a price

(wink wink)

rickyd said:
No dont have kids.. But i got a pic of my oldest Niece being held by Barry in his uniform before a game

I wonder what she'll think of all this memorabilia, and her place in it, when she has to make choices about stealing, cheating, lying, her health?

rickyd · Aug 7, 2007

kylee said:
uh huh.
I gues I have never seen it, you are correct

Which would prove??
Not a thing to proove

(cough, I wonder if that makes those stolen goods?)
He bought them from an equipment manager, not stolen :think:

(wink wink)

I wonder what she'll think, of all this memorabilia, and her place in it, when she has to make choices about stealing, cheating, lying, her health?

She will and does make good choices, enough said :think:

rickyd · Aug 7, 2007

kylee said:
1.) Not all "steroids" are equal.
2.) Being a prescribed drug doesn't assure the "safety" of the drug per se. IN fact, the contrary is more appropriately arguable. Because they are prescribed they are in fact dangerous, where the risks for use should be medically necessary, overriding the inherent dangers to putting these substances in your body.
3.)And even then, the medical necessity doesn't guarantee a free lunch on the "safety" of the prescribed drug.

That's a seriously specious assertion.

GO join Nancy Reagan, just say no.

jeffd · Aug 7, 2007

So back to my statement.....

rickyd, would you be so quick to support your favorite MX racer if you and the AMA discovered that they had used a cheater over-bore engine kit and illegal racing fuel? By your logic it shouldn't really matter since they are still racing and doing the riding. If this racer was winning and had used these illegal elements would you be OK with that? It is just a little competitive advantage, right? :whoa:

In essence, that is what is going on here with Bonds. The man JUICED - plain and simple. Now he is reaping the rewards of his illegal substance abuse and he is about to land on the pages of the record books (with a *) and yet you applaud these actions. I truly do not get it.... :coocoo:

XRpredator · Aug 7, 2007

jeffd said:
rickyd, would you be so quick to support your favorite MX racer if you and the AMA discovered that they had used a cheater over-bore engine kit and illegal racing fuel? By your logic it shouldn't really matter since they are still racing and doing the riding. If this racer was winning and had used these illegal elements would you be OK with that? It is just a little competitive advantage, right? :whoa:

In essence, that is what is going on here with Bonds. The man JUICED - plain and simple. Now he is reaping the rewards of his illegal substance abuse and he is about to land on the pages of the record books (with a *) and yet you applaud these actions. I truly do not get it.... :coocoo:

Not that I support a juicer, but I'm pretty sure part of the whole problem is that Pro Baseball doesn't have a policy regarding steroids. Sure, Bonds might be on them, but nobody says he can't. Therefore the "overbore" thing doesn't quite match up.

Mind you, I frown upon his (alleged) steroid use, but then I also frown on energy drinks (Monster, Red Bull, etc).

truespode · Aug 7, 2007

XRpredator said:
Not that I support a juicer, but I'm pretty sure part of the whole problem is that Pro Baseball doesn't have a policy regarding steroids. Sure, Bonds might be on them, but nobody says he can't. Therefore the "overbore" thing doesn't quite match up.

Then use roid use in MX. I have seen a lot of people who claim to have inside knowledge alleging that there is use of PED's in MX/SX.

The AMA does not have a PED policy so it isn't "illegal" so to speak but I personally believe that it is happening.

It is happening in all sports.

The issue for me is we are criticizing the cheater for cheating and the only ramification for someone getting caught is a label for being a cheater and an * by their record if they have one.

The ramification should be shown of those that die from the use of PED's and drugs in general.

ugh...

I won't rant... I already did that in the Flame Forum about the TdF.

However, personally... let them juice up at will if they want. I don't care. Just make sure you show the picture of their dead body when they die and it is b/c of previous drug use. Show the true consequence of their decision.

If it is then worth it to someone to juice and get a record knowing they will die early then so be it.

Ivan

XRpredator · Aug 7, 2007

truespode said:
If it is then worth it to someone to juice and get a record knowing they will die early then so be it.

Don't forget those super shrunken twig n' berries

truespode · Aug 7, 2007

XRpredator said:
Don't forget those super shrunken twig n' berries

Sometimes that's just genetics... ask Gomer ;)

Ivan

Rich Rohrich · Aug 7, 2007

truespode said:
Just make sure you show the picture of their dead body when they die and it is b/c of previous drug use. Show the true consequence of their decision.

Ivan - You've been watching way too many after-school specials. :rotfl:

kylee · Aug 7, 2007

XRpredator said:
Not that I support a juicer, but I'm pretty sure part of the whole problem is that Pro Baseball doesn't have a policy regarding steroids. Sure, Bonds might be on them, but nobody says he can't.

So, this Wiki article is pretty bogus then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_...ist_of_banned_substances_.28not_exhaustive.29

XRpredator said:
Therefore the "overbore" thing doesn't quite match up.

But it does illustrate a point about tolerance levels of ingenuity versus fair play. What it doesn't illustrate are the health consequences to the user, his/her family.

In two words: Lyle Alzado.

Dear Lyle's experience doesn't get to liver failure, mental illness, reproductive or endocrine issues. Chronic ongoing issues long after the doping stops, where you might begin to wish you could have had the easy out with brain cancer. But hey, no worries if you got kids who idolize these guys and you don't call it the way it is. I'm sure they will "continue to make good choices". I suppose all choices are good choices when you look the other way every time a rule is broken?

truespode · Aug 7, 2007

In relation to sports...
http://outside.away.com/outside/news/200406/cycling_epo_1.html

In relation to street drugs...
http://www.facesofmeth.us/main.htm

I don't care whether it is a PED or a recreational drug... it is all bad. However, I support any adult who wants to use either one. Sooner or later it will help thin out the gene pool.

Ivan

kylee · Aug 7, 2007

rickyd said:
GO join Nancy Reagan, just say no.

Let's see...You've given me such a moral challenge.

Here's the way I see your choice rickyd: be a democrat who supports a republican's wife failed campaign that tells kids to don't bother starting drugs, they are bad for you?

Or, be an athlete who hands my niece a pack of cigs, perhaps a syringe or a bottle of andro, maybe buy her a stolen motorcycle and pretend that since it was "purchased" from the guy who "obtained it" it's not stolen goods, despite a story that seems to suggest something that smells, and I don't mean a sweaty jersey??

Guess I'd sell my democratic soul to Nancy Reagan's failed campaign on drugs than the alternative.

But hey, you do what you want. "It's all good." Yuppers. :rotfl:

jeffd · Aug 7, 2007

kylee said:
So, this Wiki article is pretty bogus then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_...ist_of_banned_substances_.28not_exhaustive.29

Not bogus at all. In fact it links to the MLB's site which has a PDF document that lists the STEROIDS that are banned. But it doesn't matter really just so long as records get broken.... :|

So Pred - you wanna revise your statement about my comparing Bond's juicing with an AMA MXer running an overbore kit and/or illigal fuel? :laugh: The comparison is fair.

XRpredator · Aug 7, 2007

jeffd said:
Not bogus at all. In fact it links to the MLB's site which has a PDF document that lists the STEROIDS that are banned. But it doesn't matter really just so long as records get broken.... :|

So Pred - you wanna revise your statement about my comparing Bond's juicing with an AMA MXer running an overbore kit and/or illigal fuel? :laugh: The comparison is fair.

okay.

High Lord Gomer · Aug 7, 2007

I personally don't know anything about any of this, but my mother did find something (potentially) valuable when cleaning out her attic the other day. In one of my boxes were a couple of old baseball cards, including one a Barry Bonds in his rookie year. Anybody know what this might be worth?

http://themxtrack.com/BarryBondsRookieCard.jpg

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