Cops!

dheard4992 · Feb 21, 2002

my oppinion

i think its safer and easier for a lazy cop to wright b.s. tickets like that than to actually be out looking for bad guys.its kinda like getting a seat belt ticket,why would the officer even care? i bet it was a young cop looking to impress the boss

sfc crash · Feb 21, 2002

hmmm...kxrider12, i guess the lesson here is..don't ride on schizophrenic land. ha! SC? heck,he probably gave you permission then started in on the shine,forgot he told you it was ok,then called the cops..go figure.:moon:

sparkycr250 · Feb 21, 2002

Police are a " Love hate relationship" Love em' when you really need em', Hate when you feel you don't.....GO FIGURE!

NVR FNSH · Feb 22, 2002

Originally posted by a454elk
And don't run for heaven's sake. WE, as a riding community, don't need it and you sure don't in that off chance that you crash and get caught. Believe it or not, it does happen. How bad would you feel if the cop crashed chasing you? I should hope you'd reconsider!

Elk the dartboard

Knew a guy in High School that tried to run from the cops - Ventura County Sheriff's had/have an off-road detachment. He was able to get away from the cops on the bikes but that darn pesky helicopter proved a bit more difficult.... When he crashed the helicopter just directed the M/C based cops to him. I don't remember the charges or the amount of the fines - I just remember it was not cheap.

Brian

Patman · Feb 22, 2002

Now for yet another spin on the local land use laws. In the state of Texas you can legally access land within the banks of ANY defined waterway that has a width of 30' or greater. Since many creeks only have flow during wet weather this leave a lot of area for riding that some may not be aware of. YES this does include private property as long as you stay within the defined banks of the channel you have LEGAL rights to be there. Currently there is a movement to remove this right from the books of Texas and the private land owners are using the enviro flag to further their cause saying the disturbance is affecting the wildlife that lives in the creek. The problem is with no water what exactly is living IN the creek? There will be a meeting on this Next Wednesday, 2/27/2002 at the Texas Parks and Wildlife Building in Austin.

Now as far as running from the police. If my kid does it he will loose his ride for a very long time. If I see somebody else doing it? I'll chase ya' down for them. It's not right, it can be very dangerous for not only you and the officer but for others as well and it projects a bad image on all of us.

zio · Feb 22, 2002

Patman- isn't it within your rights to shoot anyone who tresspasses on your property in Texas? That adds a whole new twist, doesn't it?:scream:

Patman · Feb 22, 2002

I think in some parts it might not be totally frowned upon ;) but legally unless the individual is entering your residence you can face criminal charges. If they are entering your residence and fail to leave at your request once they set foot inside all you need to do is decide what color to repaint the walls. :p

mx547 · Feb 22, 2002

Originally posted by Patman
In the state of Texas you can legally access land within the banks of ANY defined waterway that has a width of 30' or greater. Since many creeks only have flow during wet weather this leave a lot of area for riding that some may not be aware of. YES this does include private property as long as you stay within the defined banks of the channel you have LEGAL rights to be there. Currently there is a movement to remove this right from the books of Texas

these types of laws were written so that navigable waterways would be accessible to the public. the state retained ownership of the waterway even if the property was sold to individuals. these laws were probably put on the books in the 1800's when transportation by watercourse was necessary for travel and commerce. in the modern world, excepting the large rivers or lakes that can accomodate shipping, these laws are now pointless. they were never intended to provide recreational opportunities. i don't blame the land owners for wanting these laws removed. i wouldn't be opposed to it.

lukaspriest · Feb 24, 2002

I'm not against cops in any way, but good lord, heaven forbid they issue a "warning" ! I mean, if its just some dude biking around on land whose ownership is totally ambiguous and riddled with trails, why the hell does he have to go crazy with blazing tickets?

I dont think police officers realize how intimidating, even scary, they are, and most of them severely underestimate the power of a warning. I personally think the officer could have better served those dirtbikers by simply explaining the illegatily of their riding and issuing a nice, firm warning.

yarbonwick · Feb 27, 2002

I think you should run everytime. Do you really think those dumbass cops can catch you? Get real. Just keep your plate bent up, and when you see the PoPo, go WOT baby. No problems. Besides, those damn cops are just donut munching tax collectors that REALLY have no right to pull you over anyway. It is not like you are driving an SUV while on a cell phone. Those are the dangerous people that need to be pulled over. If they were not so lazy, they would be arresting REAL criminals anyway.

Pulling over riders is just harassment anyway. Who are we hurting? Nobody, that's who. Besides, we are more skilled than the general population, so half the traffic laws should not apply to us.

Bottom line is, you are a fool if you pull over. Just whack the throttle open, put the tires on the dotted white line and whip up the road between the idiot cagers. The cop will never catch you. If they send a helicopter after you, just ride through an airport, they can't follow you there. Then head someplace you can hide for a bit. If they show up at your house, just say it was not you. How can they prove it without seeing your face?

Okiewan · Feb 27, 2002

The sarcasm came thru pretty good Mr. Officer :cool:

Jaybird · Feb 27, 2002

OK...this is hear-say because I wasn't actually the one who researched this. I was told by a friend of mine who lives next to some DNR land that they explained to him that in Indiana citizens have the right to access land 20 ft. from the bank of any navigable waterway, period.

Also, if land is publically owned, it must be POSTED before you are not allowed to ride there. All unposted public land is totally accessable by anyone.
Also, any off-road vehicle that is REGISTERED with the IN DOT can cross ANY public road at ANY time. Whether your ORV is registered or not, you can access the easement of any state road, interstates excluded. Easements differ from county to county, usually between 16-20 ft from CENTER of road. If easement passage is unsafe to the ORV'er or anyone else, it is considered non-easement for the off-roader.

To register your ORV with the IN DOT, you MUST have a head and tail light.

WoodsRider · Feb 28, 2002

Jaybird - I think I'd want to know the size/displacement of the vessel used to determine a navigable waterway.

When it comes to public land being posted it seems the the rules are different in various parts of the country. In some places, Texas for one, public land must be posted as being open for ORV use. Yet in Wisconsin I believe it's just the opposite in that all public land is available for riding unless posted as closed to ORV use. This may be a law that's open to the interpretation of each land manager. In other words, don't assume the rules are the same from state to state or from area to area.

a454elk · Feb 28, 2002

Yarbonwick, hey 2 thums way up for helping our image!:moon: Those are some great words of wisdom you provided. Thanks! :mad:
Elk

Milquetoast · Feb 28, 2002

Yarbonwick was kidding Elk, I guess you were too? Anyway, great idea about the airport thing Yarbonwick! Does that work with the cop cars too?

Ol'89r · Feb 28, 2002

Originally posted by Milquetoast
Yarbonwick was kidding Elk,

Elk. Check out Yarbo's profile. You guys may have something in common.:confused:

BunduBasher · Feb 28, 2002

OK, I'm a bit slow here, but Yarbo is a cop, and he enjoys the chase, is that it :o

I see from Yarbonwick's website he is a desert storm vet, soldier etc, also spends more time on a 929R these days, does that bike come with lights and siren yarbo ?! :p

BigR · Feb 28, 2002

I think you should be a responsible rider and ask land owner for
their permission & weather you have permission or not you still can't have
any leagal action against land owner you made the choice to ride you make
the choice for insurance . this would make me feel better as a land owner!
we as land owners in indiana have to be carful who we let on our land!
or good insurance.otherwise you will be in court to pay medical bill for a trespasser that like to crack the wick. I kick people off my property once or twice a year because they didn't ask permission first!this chap's me because
if they fall down i am responsible.

dhoward · Feb 28, 2002

Originally posted by LongTime

Here we go again.

Thank the lawyers for what -- LAW? Private property rights?

Lawyer, moderators, they're all poo-poo heads...
:debil:

a454elk · Feb 28, 2002

They've told us to take the word "profile" outta the dictionary, I'm afraid to even click on it in this forum!!:):) My bad.
Elk

sfc crash · Feb 28, 2002

cops always seem to show up when i was having the most fun!:p ..but hey, i never knew we got to blame them for our stupidity...count me in. mean ole meanies.:whiner:

yarbonwick · Feb 28, 2002

Originally posted by a454elk
They've told us to take the word "profile" outta the dictionary, I'm afraid to even click on it in this forum!!:):) My bad.
Elk

;)

Actually Bunda I do ride my Katoom also. I just have to flip a coin on my 3 1/2 days off a week to decide which bike I'm riding today. I know, it's a tough choice, but somebody has to do it. :) I'm just sooooooo tired of threads of people who know that are doing wrong yet not man enough to take the consequences. As if that's my problem. :mad:

KTM/MAICO · Mar 3, 2002

What is comes down to is either ride on your own land or ride in a park and pay for the permits. I've noticed a number of posts are hitting the nail on the head about property rights. Just because everyone else does it doesn't make if okay for you. We have problem areas around here where persons take down the no trespassing signs almost as fast as they are put up. They also tear down fences, posts and gates and turn the sod into a wasteland.

Don't ride on any property you haven't received written permisson to do so. A little work before hand identifying the property owner can save you time and trouble later if and when you get caught. For some, it's just a matter of time.

No wonder dirt bike riders get a bad rep from a large number of persons.

KXEric · Mar 4, 2002

California Rules

Why would you live in a place that is cold, windy and you can't
ride on your own land (Public Land). Stand up for your rights, don't
sit back and let the IL public officals take your land from you.(you already have)You pay taxes don't you, you pay for that land you cannot ride on.
Take a clue from Californians and stand up for your rights to ride on
public land. I take offense to your CA sucks statement. California Rules.
We have thousands of acres of public land to ride on, what do you have
to ride on? Private land where they charge you an arm and a leg to ride, on
only 10 acres.

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