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(CBS/AP) Finding they pose an "unreasonable risk to the public health," the federal government on Tuesday said it will ban dietary supplements containing ephedra.

"Based on the best possible scientific evidence," Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said government scientists had concluded ephedra-based supplements "are simply too risky to be used."

The government will soon publish a regulation stating "dietary supplements containing ephedra present an unreasonable risk to the public health," Thompson added.

Under the rule, which will become effective 60 days after its publication, it will be illegal to sell ephedra in the United States. The measure will also bar the importation of ephedra — often sold over the Internet — from abroad

FDA was issuing a consumer alert on ephedra products and was sending letters to 62 manufacturers, "telling them as soon as our rule takes effect they must stop selling these products," Thompson said, noting that the announcement of the ban was well-timed to caution Americans who were looking for ways to shed unwanted pounds gained over the holidays.

Food and Drug Administration commissioner Dr. Mark McClellan said Tuesday's decision was "the result of a long, hard road of seeking out all possible evidence on the benefits and risks of ephedra."

There are reports of more than 100 deaths and more than 16,000 other health problems being linked to the herb, also sometimes called epitonin, ma huang, sida cordifolia, pseudoephedrine and sinica.

California, Illinois and New York have banned the supplement, as the National Collegiate Athletic Association, the National Football League and the International Olympic Committee.

Health concerns about ephedra include the effect of the herb, which works like adrenaline, on the heart and nervous system. A RAND corporation study found risks include psychiatric and digestive problems. The General Accounting Office reported this summer that many of the health complaints liked to ephedra came from users under 30.

McClellan says ephedra raises the blood pressure and "stresses your system," potentially leading to a stroke, and possibly death.

Ephedra was thrust into the spotlight in February following the death of Baltimore Orioles minor league pitcher Steve Bechler, 23, who had taken a dietary supplement containing ephedra. The medical examiner said toxicology tests confirmed "significant amounts" of an over-the-counter supplement containing ephedra led to Bechler's heatstroke, along with other factors.

The ban is likely to be met with litigation from manufacturers. Executives of several companies that make ephedra-based products have said that studies have proven that they are safe when used properly.

"Anyone who has read our label knows that we go to great lengths to inform our customers about the proper use of our products," said Russell Schreck, chief executive officer of San Diego-based nutritional supplement-maker Metabolife International. "We make it quite clear on our label that the ephedra products are not to be sold or used by minors and that customers with certain pre-existing medical conditions should 'consult a physician before product use'."

But several scientists said that it was impossible to prove whether ephedra was safe because studies screen out participants who have health problems — the people most likely to be hurt by the product.

The supplement industry's Council for Responsible Nutrition said it didn't oppose a ban, noting that very few companies still make the stimulant.

"We think the reputable players have found so much controversy and difficulty in this marketplace that they've decided to get out of it," said CRN's John Hathcock.

Thompson said the ban will set a "new, significant legal precedent" by establishing a framework for evaluating the safety of other dietary supplements.

Compared to its work on medications, regulating supplements is nearly uncharted territory for the FDA. Companies making drugs have to demonstrate to the FDA that they are safe before selling them.

But the burden of proof is on federal regulators when it comes to supplements. Under a 1994 law under, the FDA can only prohibit the sale of a supplement if it "presents a significant or unreasonable risk of injury."

The FDA had proposed warning labels and dosage limits for dietary supplements with ephedra back in 1997, but then withdrew the proposal after complaints from the industry and members of Congress.

The government ban, one of the first involving a dietary supplement, comes after Thompson this summer urged Congress to rewrite the 1994 law, and to require manufacturers to acknowledge potential side effects.

To meet the narrow requirements of the 1994 law, the legal standard used to ban ephedra applies to an "adulterated" product that causes health problems even when ephedra is used as labeled, McClellan said. The finding will be based on research and reports of adverse effects.

CBS News legal analyst Andrew Cohen said the ban will likely help plaintiffs who are suing firms over deaths linked to ephedra, but "ultimately, it is going to be the science that drives these lawsuits and not necessarily when the government decided to ban Ephedra."
 

ltrad

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I think the ephdra ban is stupid. Are they going to take out of all the cold med too. If you abuse anything it can kill you
 

mxer842

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its just another way for the capitlist pigs that really run washington to sytematically limit our freedoms slowly but surely until we are only allowed to eat oatmeal, damn you kellogs. give it time and we will be like russia!!! :yeehaw:
 

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Originally posted by mxer842
its just another way for the capitlist pigs that really run washington to sytematically limit our freedom

Im sorta fond of Capitalism. :)

I'd like to hear some opinions from people that has some knowledge on ephedra. I hear some Docters say its safe,and others say its extremely dangerous.

Maybe Rich R. can point me to a good article, or something. ;)
 
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mxer842

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instead of making it illegal why not make you have a prescription
 

Tennessee Thumper

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Originally posted by Senior KX Rider
I have read a lot of articles on both sides of this one TT Give me a little time and I'll see if I can dig a few of them up

Thanks SR. :thumb:

I've read several articles,but they're usually biased.They either have ties to the supplement industry,or the FDA.
 

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That was an interesting read. I've still not come to any kind of conclusion.I do find it hard to believe that Ephedra is a seriously dangerous drug.I bet Viagra and all these anti-depressant drugs took more lives last year.

Honestly,Im not so keen on the Government (FDA)banning things.

mxer842, I agree with everything you said in your first post,except I don't blame it on Capitalism.....Blame it on the Southpaws.
 
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mxer842

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it willn't be off the shelves for a little while RV6, you should stock up now.
 

Jammie Hill

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I have a friend whos sixteen year old boy took ephedrin pills before football practice and died , Maybe if you lost someone close or seen it happen you would not think the ban was so stupid , ther is other weight loss ways
 

mxer842

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actuallly i am a south paw RV6. and i agree with you jammie, it is a dangerous drug, but so are many prescription drugs that are still legal. it shouldn't be sold over the counter, but when used properly and under the right circumstances as justified by a doctor i should see no problem in giving a prescription for it.
 

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They'll ban ephedra, yet they'll Court Martial the military for refusing the Anthrax vaccine. You've gotta be kidding!

The Anthrax vaccine has been proven safe and effective. I think it would be a lot more "fun" to take a needle than die slowly from multiple necrotizing gangrenous skin and organ lesions with the associated fulminant pneumonia. But maybe I'm kinda dumb. I'm sure the military higher ups would also want to make sure the guy that wouldn't take it is the hell out of there. It's kind of an epidemiologic thing--like the plague.

As far as ephedrine goes, the FDA just isn't "sure" how dangerous it is. And thankfully, for our safety (and historically), they're taking it off the market because they're not sure. Their rationale is as follows:

A) You don't NEED it
B) They're not sure it's safe
C) People are definitely abusing it

....so, for the GOOD OF THE PUBLIC, which is what they do for a living, they're cutting off public access for the time being.

Personally, I think it's a good drug for many, and a bad one for others. But that has no play in public epidemiology, does it? I also think all the deaths related to it were because of a contribution from that drug, and not exactly because if it. For instance, thiazolidinediones can fry your liver. End of story. These drugs need no help. The ephedrine deaths were most likely associated with coronary artery disease, underlying/previous hypertension, renal failure, genetics and overdose by people that like the "crystal" effect.

We'll see how this all plays out. It's still many more times effective at weight loss than Phen-Phen (which worked damn well).
 

Rich Rohrich

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nephron said:
they're taking it off the market because they're not sure. Their rationale is as follows:

A) You don't NEED it
B) They're not sure it's safe
C) People are definitely abusing it

....so, for the GOOD OF THE PUBLIC, which is what they do for a living, they're cutting off public access for the time being.

Sounds an awful lot like alcohol, cigarettes, and ... aww never mind. :p
 

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just out of interest, do the people that dont want ephedra banned, also want all the other amphetamines legalized? (i am talking exstacy, speed, meth etc)
 

Rich Rohrich

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Bruce - I think it's more a case of looking or maybe hoping for a fair and consistent enforcement of policy. Over the years it has seemed (at least to me) that the FDA does not really have MY best interest at heart, and seems rather fond of making rulings based more on the publicity they generate and the needs of special interests. Of course it's probably a myopic viewpoint on my part.
 
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yzguy15

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I took Xenadrine for almost 4 weeks. It never did a thing for me, except make me a little more nervous than usual all the time. I was kinda on edge while I was taking it, and I never shed a single pound. I was playing football at the time (I was 16), and Korey Stringer (late of the Minnesota Vikings) had just died not long before that so I decided to go ahead and stop taking it.

Nephron, I'm curious to whom it would be good for? Certain body types? Or certain personality types?
 

Imathorp

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I'm about 15 pounds overweight and I have tried a diet product with Ephedra. I just started woods racing and after a few laps in a hare scramble I dont think i would want to have any ephedra in my system while racing. I'm 33 and in perfect health no history of heart problems (me or family) and many members of my family have lived into thier 90's.

I just dont think Ephredra is something i want to play around with while racing or exerting myself much at all.

while I'm sitting for hours on end at my desk, Sure! Racing, NO!

the problem with our society, is thier are less and less rational thinkers born every day and more and more milking slackers and trial lawyers!
 

mxer842

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its the american way, haven't you learned by now :laugh:
 
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