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Message: [QUOTE="Stryke, post: 955748, member: 62390"] for you i would say get a 450 4 stroke or 250 2 stroke. They are both nearly equal in power, as is the reason why the 250 2t and the 450 4t race in the same class. But with the 450 you will have a little bit more weight like 15 pounds but u will gain more torque and horsepower which makes it easier to go slow and ride. The 2 strokes have a power band that is very abrupt while the 4 strokes generate more a little more power they are more like a street bike and dont kick in with power so hard. They are more smooth with the power, but more powerful. One rider told me if ur starting get the 250 fourstroke or 450 fourstroke because u dont have to learn how to blip the throttle whenever u ride. 125 2 strokes are nearly eqaul to 250 4 strokes in power but they have a big power band. While 250fs are a little heavier but make up for the added weight with smoother more powerful engines. same goes for the bigger class 250 2 strokes are nearly eqaul to 450 4 strokes in power but they have a big power band. While 450fs are a little heavier but make up for the added weight with smoother more powerful engines. all the bikes 125s 250s and 450s go about the same speed and are nearly the same size. But the difference is how fast they all get to there top speed. 125/250f class bikes generate around 37 horsepower stock i think. 250/450f class bikes generate around the 50s or low fifties in horsies. I would say for u get the 4 stroke 250f and 450f. The learning curce should be about the same and u dont have to go fast just gradually learn the power. the 2 strokes have a larger learning curve they are the best choice for people who are coming of of the cr/kx/rm80s and stuff. They are used to twisting the wrist more and a 125 is perfect for them. any ways theres my 2 cents... i think thats some good info to help u make your choice. and as for ur older son who is 14 and 135lbs id say get him a 2 stroke 80 or 85cc. 80s 2 strokes have alot of power im told. and should be a good starter bike for ur son. Then when he gets to be about the size 5'9 and 150lbs buy him a 125 2 stroke or 250 4 stroke. good luck becareful where ur from tho some places in the us might only let u ride mx bikes on the track not trail. [/QUOTE]

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