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Message: [QUOTE="tnrider, post: 955907, member: 43074"] i have both the ttr125 (wife and son ride this) and the crf450 i think the ttr125 will be too small for your son. i doubt that you can come up with a good learning bike that he can mx race - these are two distinct programs... for mx if he can touch the ground, it is rideable. for learning or trail riding, i prefer at minimum the kids "flat foot" the ground - more is better here... perhaps a 2-stroke 100 but it has no native racing class. and for you the crf250 has a higher maintenance frequency than the crf450 -- there is not a significant weight difference in the bikes or certainly not in the feel to me. [/QUOTE]