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Bingo.IndyMX said:If the UAW isn't willing to take a pay cut to help save their jobs, why should the tax payers save them?
IndyMX said:If the UAW isn't willing to take a pay cut to help save their jobs, why should the tax payers save them?
pred said:I'm a little biased right now, since the $80.00/hour UAW guy who assembled our 2008 Chevy 1-ton forgot to adjust the throw on the shifter for the transfer case and I couldn't get it into 4-wheel drive while I was plowing snow yesterday.
polishsausage said:The Big 3 needs to fold and restructure.
sir if you knew anything of what a gm employee makes its 27 dollars an hour and i would love to see half of the guys on here do the jobs my father has done through the years and the uaw is needed you people dont have to fight for your insurance and work conditions. Without this organization these workers would have nothing for benifits.XRpredator said:Bingo.
I'm a little biased right now, since the $80.00/hour UAW guy who assembled our 2008 Chevy 1-ton forgot to adjust the throw on the shifter for the transfer case and I couldn't get it into 4-wheel drive while I was plowing snow yesterday. :bang:
ws6transam said:Yeah, the Mustang isn't very fun. I rented one for 500 miles last fall in Northern California & didn't like it. However I recently got a 2009 Chevy Malibu for moving around Greenbelt MD, and it was probably the nicest, tightest car I've ever driven. I definitely will consider that car. The interior was spot-on, and the handling was great.
The last Nissan Altima I rented, I *hated*.
ws6transam said:You know, I think you folks who state that the big 3 automakers have crappy designs are a major part of the problem. You don't know what you are talking about. You have your little picture of the world, and your small sample of how this, that, or the other car failed you in some fashion, and you know what? Today's quality statistics (J.D. Powers, etc. do not bear it out. The domestic automaker has faults with their cars at the same rate as non-domestic automakers. In other words, the quality of American autos is the same as non-American automobiles. The statistics tell us this. Anything else is just prejudice, in my opinion.
Do you really think us Americans are that dumb that we can no longer compete with the rest of the world when it comes to manufacturing? Is everything made in America now crap? Are you really resigned to forcing Americans into the role of servant, of living in a service economy? God, it makes me mad.
If you don't like Ford, GM, Chrysler, then so be it. However their cars are not crap! Not anymore. Stuff made in the 70's, and early 80's was shabby, to be true. But I don't think it's the case anymore. You state your opinion like it's fact, and so does most of the prejudiced mainstream media. I'm just tired of it. Go try out a new GM ,Ford, or Chrysler by renting one for a weekend from Hertz. I have, and I've been very impressed with the new 2009 models.
You know, everyone is so waiting to see the big three get killed off, and I don't undersand it. It was the big three auto manufacturers that, over the course of only months, converted all of their factories from making cars to making the airplanes, tanks, howitzers, machine guns, and ammunition tht won world war II. Once we kill off our domestic auto industry, we will no longer have a manufacturing base in the USA which could be shifted over to defense, if there was ever another war like WWII.
..as for unions: The American unions are only a shadow of their former selves. Market forces have inexorably forced the unions to downsize their worker wage demands. The UAW has less than half their former membership. It's happening now, today, and without the emasculating of the domestic auto industry. It's also happening without intervention from the government. Also, you are dead wrong when you think that there's $80 an hour janitors in US auto plants. I live in Mid-Michigan and know what those people earn. It's a good wage, yes. I know a UAW union janitor who just recently retired, and at his peak, he was earning around $65,000 per year for a 2,000 hour work year. That's $32.50 an hour for someone with a thirty year service record. The pay of the average union worker is being reduced through worker attrition, which is the natural selection method of free enterprise. ...and what's wrong with that?
whenfoxforks-ruled said:I know a few people that work on the line at ford. You could not pay me double that to do their work! People sure jump on what the idiot box says. The whole problem is not the unions, thats stupid! What the hourly get paid is but a small chunk of that price tag on that new vehicle. Anyone got any facts on the American cars are junk bs? I know plenty of foreign cars that have had issues! The Japanese taught Detroit how to build with aluminum, plastic, rubber, tighter tolerances, and smaller! Stupid American market wants a big azz engine that gets small engine economy, we also want a big vehicle that fits anywhere. Till Detroit consolidates, cuts pay on both sides of the table, and build a basic line of vehicles designed to make them money, they will disappear. Isn't that what the foreign market sells here? They do not care what we want, or what our needs are.
Shagy100 said:sir if you knew anything of what a gm employee makes its 27 dollars an hour and i would love to see half of the guys on here do the jobs my father has done through the years and the uaw is needed you people dont have to fight for your insurance and work conditions. Without this organization these workers would have nothing for benifits.
If you ever really noticed the problem with the 3.1/3.4 is in the bull$hitgaskets. if you put the nice felpro gaskets that are metal and not plastic you fix the problem. Also if forieng cars are so great then why is the toyota camry plant closed cause they cant move them. IN my own opinion if you dont buy american and dont support the country your from get the He11 out. Go live in another country just not here._JOE_ said:As a matter of fact I do. I'll use late model Ford Taurus/Explorer as examples. I've had many customers see coil spring failures in vehicles with less than 75k miles. I've never seen a camry, accord, avalon, crv, highlander, etc break a coil spring ever. These parts continuously fail. Fords response to the taurus springs? They built some little guard to bolt to the strut to keep the spring from blowing out the tire when it breaks. When I call the dealer for rear coils on an explorer and they laugh and tell me how ****ty they are that says something right there. There's many more examples, I don't type that fast so it would take me all night to tell you. If you really want to know I'll give you my phone number and we can talk build quality. Gm 6 cylinder 3.1/3.4L lower intake manifold gaskets are another one that amazes me. Poor unsuspecting folks who end up with repair bills of a grand or more due to poor design.
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