duckboy said:It's not just a problem with one map. Evart, Missaukee, Long Lake and Lincoln Hills are all cycle trails but say offroad cycle and or atv.
Saw those last week myself at another dealer. Had a few minutes to browse through it while waiting for my parts to be found..YZMAN400 said:Speaking of maps. I was at Bills Honda the other day and they have an Atlas style map book there of all the trails in Michigan. It has info in there on the DNR rules of the trail, Safety training, and other usefull information.
YZMAN400 said:Now that I think of it I am supprised that the CCC dosn't have there map books for sale at the dealerships. Might be another way for the CCC to make some $ on the side.
Then why does it say motocycles and atv's?2TrakR said:duckboy,
The Evart trail map shows it's designation by the presence of only a motorcycle in the picture on the lower right hand corner. If it were an ATV accessible trail it would have a picture of both a cycle and an ATV
If the picture is always 100% correct then why is there a picture of a motorcycle and not an atv for Gladwin?2TrakR said:duckboy,
(see Gladwin map for example). The name of the trail also can aid in determination of a trail - "Evart Motorcycle Trail" vs "Gladwin ORV Trail". Admittedly the trail name is not 100% consistent, but the picture in the lower right is.
You are absolutely right.2TrakR said:duckboy,
There are certainly better ways to convey this information to the general riding public.
Cycle Trails on page 11 don't include atv's in the description. Show me one example of a DNR map with a cycle trail that doesn't say motorcycles and/or atv's.2TrakR said:duckboy,
I'm having a hard time seeing where you are getting a "clearly defined difference" of the trail in the Guidebook.
I have no idea why you would think that the markers have nothing to do with marking the trails designation. If that were true why are they not just blank orange triangles?2TrakR said:duckboy,
They show the types of trail markers you may encounter but the markers do not designate the type of trail - all the ORV trail markers are used interchangeably on the ground.
Then why when I talked to him did he say it was motocycles only? Can anybody keep there stories straight? Can any body else show where they get there information besides me? You and Steve seem to have alot of opinions on what the maps, legislation and orv book say, but have either of you shown me proof, as in black and white? If any of what you say is true then why is this information not readily available in the orv handbook or on the maps?2TrakR said:duckboy,
As for the statement from Steve about it being illegal to ride an ATV on the Evart trail, I think there was some misunderstanding. He knows it's not illegal to ride an ORV on an ORV trail and Evart certainly is an ORV trail.
Prove it..........geez most maps eliminate confusion.2TrakR said:duckboy,
Michigan has no legislation that makes it illegal for an ATV to be on an ORV trail that's maintained to 40" specs. IF that ATV has to leave the trail or damage the trees to navigate the trail, than that act is illegal, but if they can fit, it is legal for them to be on it.
ellandoh said:id like to know if theres a way to get a hold of a map of all the different systems in MI or do i have to download them from home or stop at the nearest DNR office of the trail im going to ?
2TrakR said:The Evart trail map shows it's designation by the presence of only a motorcycle in the picture on the lower right hand corner. If it were an ATV accessible trail it would have a picture of both a cycle and an ATV
duckboy said:Then why does it say motocycles and atv's?
2TrakR said:(see Gladwin map for example). The name of the trail also can aid in determination of a trail - "Evart Motorcycle Trail" vs "Gladwin ORV Trail". Admittedly the trail name is not 100% consistent, but the picture in the lower right is.
duckboy said:If the picture is always 100% correct then why is there a picture of a motorcycle and not an atv for Gladwin?
2TrakR said:I'm having a hard time seeing where you are getting a "clearly defined difference" of the trail in the Guidebook.
duckboy said:Cycle Trails on page 11 don't include atv's in the description. Show me one example of a DNR map with a cycle trail that doesn't say motorcycles and/or atv's.
2TrakR said:They show the types of trail markers you may encounter but the markers do not designate the type of trail - all the ORV trail markers are used interchangeably on the ground.
duckboy said:I have no idea why you would think that the markers have nothing to do with marking the trails designation. If that were true why are they not just blank orange triangles?
2TrakR said:As for the statement from Steve about it being illegal to ride an ATV on the Evart trail, I think there was some misunderstanding. He knows it's not illegal to ride an ORV on an ORV trail and Evart certainly is an ORV trail.
duckboy said:Then why when I talked to him did he say it was motocycles only? Can anybody keep there stories straight? Can any body else show where they get there information besides me? You and Steve seem to have alot of opinions on what the maps, legislation and orv book say, but have either of you shown me proof, as in black and white? If any of what you say is true then why is this information not readily available in the orv handbook or on the maps? Prove it.........
ellandoh said:MCCC sounds like the way to go , from what ive read in a thread here they have downloadable directly into the GPS available for members also
2TrakR said:I've not made it available yet, but it will be in another month or so. We're still field testing the GPS maps and struggling with the Magellan version (Garmin is functional).
There most likely will be a charge for the GPS version of things, but it's just to cover the cost of the CDs & postage. The physical paper mapbook is included as part of the membership package.
/Jeramey
CCC Mapping Coordinator
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