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Message: [QUOTE="drunkrussian, post: 182735, member: 24337"] [b]?[/b] R White, Did you think I was knocking the Harley, I wasn't. I wanted to support the fact that they spent lots of time and money on a gamble of a bike. As for the engine being new. I know it was based on their racing bike that had the VR-1000. But they had to take that engine, make it more durable. I called it new because it wasn't the VR-1000, it was based on the VR-1000. Here's an analogy (not the best), the intell Pentium 3: intell Pentium 4. The technology was always there but it progressed. And when something like that comes out it is new. Oh and I bet the P4 was around long before it was realeased to the public. [/QUOTE]