Help, my topend is gone!

trips67

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Nov 6, 2000
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Hey guys I have a good one for you. I have a 96 kdx 200 with about every mod done to it. Before last season I had Eric Gorr do his 225 mod. It ran beautifully all last season except the last ride. On the last ride of the year It seem to lose its topend. The bottom was as crisp as always, but the top got real groggy, and it just didn't really hit anymore. It felt as if the power valve wasn't working. So I tore it down this past winter, and didn't really find anything wrong. The power valve had some build up and was a little sticky, so everything was cleaned. I threw a set of rings in it, and rebuilt it. I just got it out and it is behaving the same way. The bottom end seems great, but the is really groggy, and it just doesn't seem to kick in. I have tried different jettings, but really don't think this is the problem. I took the carb completely apart, and flushed it thoroughly. I changed plugs, and after riding it around tonight pulled the plug and it is a nice tan brown color.

Could something be wrong that it isn't advancing my power valve? I am kind of at a loss, because this thing has never really given me any problems.

I am trying to get it ready for an enduro this weekend.

Thanks in advance.
Ryan
 

xpwarrior

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Jan 14, 2001
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Remove the round plug on the left side of the cylinder and see if the valves are opening when you rev it up. My valves refused to work even after a compete cleaning. I added a washer to the little check ball assembly that's right under that plug. That takes some of the preload off the valve system and mine have been working great ever since.
 

trips67

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Nov 6, 2000
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XP - Thanks for the speedy response. I went out and tried it. When I rev up the valve snaps open (gear moves counterclockwise), but it is very slow to close (clockwise). I removed the ball completely, and it seem to act about the same. How quick is it susposed to close? When the bike is off(i don't know if your susposed to do this or not) I put a ratchet on the nut, and twisted the valve open, and it snaps back closed pretty quick. I did notice a couple of times it hung up. I don't know if this shows signs of a problem or not? What do you think?

Thanks
 

kaw Bill

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Oct 1, 1999
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I had the same problem after having my cyclinder reworked. I found that when manually operating the powervalve it would hang up sometimes. The problem turned out to be an overtightened main valve nut. The tourque spec on this nut is verry light. I can't remember what it is but a slight over tightening will cause the valve to hang up. I've had my cylinder apart three times now trying to figure this one out.

kaw Bill
 

kaw Bill

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Oct 1, 1999
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My question is after reusing brand new head and base gasket three times, every thing seems to work fine. In other words, no leaks. Do I need to worry about this. Should I go ahead and install a new gasket set or just leave it?


kaw Bill
 

trips67

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Nov 6, 2000
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Kaw Bill,

I don't know what to tell you about the gaskets, I have replaced mine everytime that I have had my cylinder off. If I had to take it off now without much run time, I would inspect them and reuse if they looked good.

Did you run your bike when you were having this valve sticking problem(over tightened nut)? If so how did it act? It will check the torque of the nut tonight, but am not sure if the power valve is the problem. Something changed the last ride of last season, and I didn't get it fixed with the topend rebuild/valve cleaning. I am just not sure where to look.

Ryan
 

NX650

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Dec 9, 2002
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You've probably already checked this, and from what I understand the bottom end is typically affected first, but did you spec the reed valves?
 

trips67

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Nov 6, 2000
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Ok, here is the latest.

Reeds are in great shape, so I don't think thats it. Thanks though - keep the ideas coming.

I removed the tank, and pulled the petcock out. I wanted to make sure nothing was restricting the flow through the filters. - looked great. I then took the carb apart, snd cleaned everything again making sure the vent lines were open. I changed the main jett to make sure that I wasn't on the lean side. I inspected both boots thoroughly for airleaks. So I put it back together. I then got an in-lb torques wrench and made sure that the main valve rod nut was not over tightened. I then fired it up, and let it warm up completely. When I rode it, the bottom end stilll seemed great. On the top end I definitely felt it wanting to hit the powerband. So the valve is working. When I would get on it, it would start cutting out. Like the engine was stuttering. Could this be related to anything electrical. I really don't know much about the electrical side. What/how do I check it out. I am runnning out of ideas.

Thanks a lot for all of the help and ideas.
 

rickyd

Hot Sauce
Oct 28, 2001
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Could it be a broken keyway @ the flywheel?? Possibly the stator has moved?? Just ideas..

Hope this helps you out,
Rick
 

Canadian Dave

Super Power AssClown
Apr 28, 1999
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Did you follow the manual when you reassembled the power valves? If so many factory shop manuals wrongly identify the left and right power valves. If you followed the manual they are likely reversed.

Another point of concern may be the KIPS valve actuator arm, the one that runs vertically up from the clutch area. If the shaft is not supported when the nut on top is removed , you didn't realize it was reverse thread etc the shaft can become damaged/snap off at the bottom. Your KIPS system may still work if it’s twisted but not snapped and may cause things to bind. This can be a real problem. The shaft will last forever if the proper procedure is followed when removing/installing the nut but if not and the shaft snaps the clutch or cases can be badly damaged.

For more details on both of these problems you can check out the JustKDX web page under Tech Tips.

David
 

Jackpiner57

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Aug 11, 2002
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I just looked in my new service manual and it says that the RH subvalve has a groove around the top, and the RH exhaust valve rod has an "O" ring on it.

I checked on the buykawasaki.com site and it appears to agree with the manual.

Also, make sure that groove on the exhaust valve rod goes in between the two shaded or grooved teeth on the sub valve.

And, the punch marks on the main shaft pinions line up with the groove on the exhaust valve rods.

Hope this helps, good luck.
 

trips67

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Nov 6, 2000
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Hey guys,

I figured it out. I went to repack my silencer, and found the problem. I have the FMF turbine core II, and the perforated tube that runs down the center was broke off. It was now unsupported at either end. Basically just the packing was holding it up. This must have blocked part of the passage through the silencer. I threw my stocker back on there, and it really came to life. What a relief to have it figured out. Now I just need to order a new silencer. Thanks for all of the help.

Ryan
 
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