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Message: [QUOTE="MarksCR250, post: 122913, member: 23850"] Talking about if incredible skill is learned or is in part inborn: Well theres lots of combinations arent there, but there IS such a thing as a natural aptitude towards certain activities (the area of 'child prodigies' comes to mind.) But even someone with natural gifts has to work incredibly hard to be a champion though, dont they. I think you could take a child and even without them being gifted, you could make a fine racer (or grain counter) out of them.. but they perhaps wouldnt have been interested in that activity without being induced into becoming good at it, and even being a 'fine racer' is different than being a true champion. But when a child is naturally gifted they often *of themselves* seek out chances and opportunities to learn and get better and compete and win. And dominate. At the highest levels of professional sports (and lots of other things) you as a rule find people who have natural talent that has been worked and worked and worked to a fine point. Simply 'trying hard' isnt enough to succeed at the highest level. Mike Brown is amoung the worlds best at what he does. More power to him! :) [/QUOTE]