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Message: [QUOTE="Tin Man, post: 324697, member: 22093"] How can you reason with people like these groups, their logic is as distorted as the ones crashing airplanes into buildings. I blame the news media by giving the impression that these groups have a mandate from the general public. If the majority is so concerned with the enviornment, why do I see so many $35,000 and up SUVs, and so few of those crappy Honda hybrid cars. The animal rights groups are just as crazy. Excellent quote concerning them: " a rattlesnake loose in the living room pretty much ends any discussions about animal rights" [/QUOTE]