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Message: [QUOTE="crkid, post: 325940, member: 25261"] not to say that i would like to fall victim to any of these devices. if you read the first paragraph, it's not so much the enviroment they are complaining about, it's the blatent disrespect for private property. and using deadly force for simple trespassing with no intent to harm is crazy, bu spike strips and potholes are understandable. if you are trespassing you deserve what you get. it would be different if they were talking about planting these traps on public land. but as much as i like riding, i would be pissed and tempted to do something crazy if bikers rode through my land and i couldn't stop them. dell- those people you are talking about are horrible if they do it for the sake of the enviroment in public lands. for the record though, how do dirtbikers leave beer cans? fender pouch cooler? second, that shotgun shell device is scary. [/QUOTE]