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Message: [QUOTE="skmcbride, post: 214204, member: 23265"] Billy Ed, Yes, the are the same Ionamin is a retail version for the generic phentermine. This drug is part of the infamous "****tail" , fen-phen. It is guilty by association with the now FDA banned the forms of fenfluramine, Pondimin and Redux. I have seen and continue to see the devastating effects of these drugs in patients with heart and lung problems. These are life long problems!! Now phenteramine is still around and is given on its own, and individually, or so it appears, without the potentially lethal effects of the fen-phen ****tail. That is not to say it is harmless. Common adverse effects associated with phentermine are dry mouth, insomnia, increased blood pressure, and constipation. The drug appears to have a ceiling effect as well. This drug should not be administered without the supervision of a physician. The fact that it can be obtained over the internet is one scary proposition. I don't know the dosage, but I believe it falls in a range. People often take it 3 times a day prior to meals (8mg??/dose). Questions to ask yourself, IMO: 1) Am I obese? Find out your body mass index (BMI), percent body fat etc.. 2) Have I tried conventional behavior modification, honestly, and failed to loose any weight? Honesty here is the key. If you have demonstrated in the past that you can loose weight, any weight, with behavior modification, meaning dietary changes and exercise than this should be your primary focus and you have not demonstrated a valid need to introduce a drug to alter your appetite. You need to play this card out for 6 months to a year to see if you plateau. 3) If I am obese, do I have other risk factors or threatening health problems that may "predispose" me to other escalating medical problems or that make weight loss a urgent priority. Such as diabetes, high blood pressure, smoking (shouldn't count), high cholesterol, heart disease, severe OA etc...... Keep in mind , high blood pressure would exclude you for use of phentermin. 4) Have I had a recent work-up by my Doc to determine my health. 5) Are there other drugs or supplements that may better suit me for my individual characteristics. For instance Xenical is a drug that can reduce fat absorption and therefore can potentially lower serum cholesterol as well as help loose weight. Once again, there are side effects and I am not a big fan. I could go on and on here, but don't want to preach. I don't want to come off 100% against these drugs. My problem, once again, is how the "over weight" population is fleeced by so many "get results quick" schemes and the fact that we want a pill for everything. Drugs like phenteramine have a place, but I think the boundaries for dispensing and obtaining these drugs often exceed their appropriate population. Keep in mind this is just my opinion and I'm sure, sadly enough, you can find a M.D. to disagree. Incidentally, many studies of the "3 major" drug types for weight loss are about the same and not that great at that for long term. The bottom line is there is no such thing as a free lunch!!!! Keep us posted on your results / decision. I would be happy to offer you more of my opinion and some literature to review :D Good Luck , Keith [/QUOTE]

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