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Message: [QUOTE="binthedirtnow, post: 918962, member: 60262"] [b]Immature response, but true...[/b] Hmmmmm... I have lived my entire life in urban and suburban parts of CA, and now I ride motorcycles on the street and the dirt. Well, I've seen this long enough in my life that I don't need to justify my following comments: 1) More people should be riding motorcycles and scooters for commuting; 2) The auto makers have their heads up thier a**es - we need more hybrid commuter cars than we have available, and I want a hybrid pickup!; 3) The oil companies suck and we should fight back by not using too much gas for commuting; 4) Our recreational motorcycles are being martyred for no reason while commuters cars are pumping out all the smog and wasting all the gas - OHV emmisions are miniscule in comparison; 5) SUV's suck, waste gas, are too heavy (destroying the asphalt, killing others in accidents), too big (cannot see around them, killing others in accidents), tip over too easy(accident prone), and should not be used for commuting or going grocery shopping - if you need room, get a minivan. I'm all for hybrid cars and trucks - If I could afford one, and if the automakers would make one, I'd have a hybrid pickup for sure! Save the money and gas for my dirtbike instead! :aj: By the way, I love the wilderness, and I am in support of birth control and reduced urban sprawl. Urban sprawl will ultimately be the death of our sport, and the Sierra club does oppose urban sprawl. B. [/QUOTE]

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