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Message: [QUOTE="jaguar, post: 519192, member: 19340"] The only difference between the 1173L and BEP is that the BEP has an L1 almost 1mm shorter which means that for the same clip position it is richer. You said "FWIW, I ordered a KHI R1174L needle, and a BEP,BGN, and BGP." BEP: 1mm higher (richer for same clip position), same dia, same taper BGN: 1mm lower (leaner for same clip position) slightly different diameter but not enough to matter BGP: 1mm lower, same dia, same taper How does it run off-idle and WFO if your 1173L is clipped in the top notch? [/QUOTE]